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  • Need to get some stuff off my chest...

    Disclaimer: I am a huge Roland fanboy. My studio/practice space looks like a Roland ad. Roland makes great stuff. In V-drum world, I've had the TD-6, TD-8, TD-20, and presently the TD-30, not to mention an SPD-S and an SPD-SX. V-drums make my life better.

    That said, I have a few complaints, some new, some long-standing. Incoming!

    1. I love me some SPD-SX. So much so, that they really should have named it SPD-SEX, because it is pure drum porn. It was introduced in September of 2011. Time for a successor!! But not this year. Sigh.

    2. I'm not sure I understand Roland's seeming inability to design small drum pads (6", 8") that look good, feel good, or a combination of both these things in the context of a big kit. The PDX-8 and -6 look like donuts. If you're into pads that are unnecessarily thick, have an abysmal-looking mount, and resemble either a US marshal's badge or Baphomet depending on which way its mounted, the PD-85 is for you. The PD-8 is rubber. Suggestion: make a slimmer, 8" version of a PD-108 or even an 8" PDX-12. The latter design would work great for a staggered stack of pads and allow you to get a lot of separate striking surfaces in a small area. I use two PD-8s as my "small toms", and trust me when I tell you doing that big fill around the kit from rubber to mesh sucks.

    3. V-chinas. Stiiiiiiilllllll waiting.

    4. The new VAD kits look cheap, like some entry-level kit you'd get from Best Buy. I don’t see the point of the shallow shells; isn’t the idea of the VAD kits to NOT look like electronic drums? On a positive note, they’re much cheaper than the current PD-108/128 pads (about $250, based on a currency conversion I did from a UK site already advertising them for sale as individual pads), and it looks like Roland finally figured out the secret to avoid hotspotting: take the damn sensor out of the center of the drum (I kid, but not really)!

    5. Acoustic bass drum + mesh head + RT-30-K > all other Roland bass drum designs.

    6. Substitute “small cymbals” for “small drum pads” in the first sentence of complaint 2. above.

    7. It’s bad enough that the surface of the V-cymbals is black, but the underside, too? Roland, do you NOT want people to be able to see your product? Suggestion: cut-to-fit plastic sheeting in a variety of colors. It may take disassembly of the output housing to secure it, but you have to do the same thing when changing out wrap on V-drum shells. Some extra work, but worth it in the long run.

    8. Longer cables. If you think that sounds crazy, do an Internet search and try to find a stock 20’ TRS-to-right-angle TRS cable. This drove me nuts to the point where I had to get custom-made cables from a company in California called ProAudioLA.

    Thanks for letting me vent!!

    TD-30 / SPD-SX

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    I'm not necessarily missing good looking 6"/8" pads, but having some proper 8"/10" splashes would have been nice - CY-5's are atrocious.
    ATV has some pretty ones but they cost 240€..

    Originally posted by Mick Wade View Post

    4. The new VAD kits look cheap, like some entry-level kit you'd get from Best Buy. I don’t see the point of the shallow shells; isn’t the idea of the VAD kits to NOT look like electronic drums? On a positive note, they’re much cheaper than the current PD-108/128 pads (about $250, based on a currency conversion I did from a UK site already advertising them for sale as individual pads), and it looks like Roland finally figured out the secret to avoid hotspotting: take the damn sensor out of the center of the drum (I kid, but not really)!
    I'm assuming you're refering to the small pads of the cheaper 306 vad kit.
    I can't see what would look "cheap" about their new big toms.


    Originally posted by Mick Wade View Post

    7. It’s bad enough that the surface of the V-cymbals is black, but the underside, too? Roland, do you NOT want people to be able to see your product? Suggestion: cut-to-fit plastic sheeting in a variety of colors. It may take disassembly of the output housing to secure it, but you have to do the same thing when changing out wrap on V-drum shells. Some extra work, but worth it in the long run.
    Sounds like that would change the feel and/or increase noise, although I'm not sure how much of the cymbal's area you would like that sheet to cover.

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    • #3
      as the e-drum market is now.. i can't see anything that 'isn't there' yet.. if you are not too 'brand tight' .. it's possible to find parts/ equipment
      from other (good) companies and integrate a lot of things together.. ..but that's what i think .. i'm even a bit 'overwhelmed' right now..
      (with the choice)..

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      • #4
        I dont care about the look of pads. But Roland center triggered pads are absolut crap. such a concept flaw is unforgivingly!
        Just sold my td30 because it was unpossible to get powerfull Tom sounds, snares where mediocre at best.
        Thanks god there are mimics and atv modules. Roland fanboy? Did you ever had a look out the box?
        Roland rests on the laurels for many years, maybe because they had a loyal fanbase, but i am out.

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        • #5
          I suppose if you look at what I used to own and what I have now you would think I was a Roland fan boy. I’ve had a spd8 as well as Roland keyboards and modules. I’ve had a hp15 hansonic and currently have a full tdw20 kit and td30 kit in my house. None Roland has been an Alesis D4 which by the way had better toms than the td30 on one shot hit only. When buying new I chose a ddrum4 over the Roland at the time. I only got a td20 because I got it really cheap 2nd hand and because of the amount of trigger inputs which my ddrum4 lacked. I had been using the ddrum4 with an Alesis io which is horrible. My sone has the td20 now as I waited my time and got a td30 2nd hand ridiculously cheap. I use it for triggering sd2 and now SD3. Through all my Roland gear it has been reliable and solid but sound wise they have never got beyond sounding synthetic. So I use Roland every day but by no means a fan boy. I’m still waiting for something really special to appear. Until then it’s VSTIs all the way.
          Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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          • #6
            I'm in a similar boat. I don't even want to tally up my total investment in my current kit.

            1. I love me some SPD-SX. So much so, that they really should have named it SPD-SEX, because it is pure drum porn. It was introduced in September of 2011. Time for a successor!! But not this year. Sigh.

            I was sure it was up for replacement when it had been marked down significantly the year prior. Alas, no.

            2. I'm not sure I understand Roland's seeming inability to design small drum pads (6", 8") that look good, feel good, or a combination of both these things in the context of a big kit. The PDX-8 and -6 look like donuts. If you're into pads that are unnecessarily thick, have an abysmal-looking mount, and resemble either a US marshal's badge or Baphomet depending on which way its mounted, the PD-85 is for you. The PD-8 is rubber. Suggestion: make a slimmer, 8" version of a PD-108 or even an 8" PDX-12. The latter design would work great for a staggered stack of pads and allow you to get a lot of separate striking surfaces in a small area. I use two PD-8s as my "small toms", and trust me when I tell you doing that big fill around the kit from rubber to mesh sucks.

            Agreed. Dreaming of some e-octobans...

            3. V-chinas. Stiiiiiiilllllll waiting.
            Thought the same thing while browsing the new NAMM gear post.

            4. The new VAD kits look cheap, like some entry-level kit you'd get from Best Buy. I don’t see the point of the shallow shells; isn’t the idea of the VAD kits to NOT look like electronic drums? On a positive note, they’re much cheaper than the current PD-108/128 pads (about $250, based on a currency conversion I did from a UK site already advertising them for sale as individual pads), and it looks like Roland finally figured out the secret to avoid hotspotting: take the damn sensor out of the center of the drum (I kid, but not really)!

            5. Acoustic bass drum + mesh head + RT-30-K > all other Roland bass drum designs.

            6. Substitute “small cymbals” for “small drum pads” in the first sentence of complaint 2. above.
            Same. Sourcing matching (black underside) CY12" was difficult and I only managed to get one. At least it sounds like they are upgrading that among the current lineup.

            7. It’s bad enough that the surface of the V-cymbals is black, but the underside, too? Roland, do you NOT want people to be able to see your product? Suggestion: cut-to-fit plastic sheeting in a variety of colors. It may take disassembly of the output housing to secure it, but you have to do the same thing when changing out wrap on V-drum shells. Some extra work, but worth it in the long run.

            8. Longer cables. If you think that sounds crazy, do an Internet search and try to find a stock 20’ TRS-to-right-angle TRS cable. This drove me nuts to the point where I had to get custom-made cables from a company in California called ProAudioLA.

            Probably the most important complaint! I was going to add a third rack tom and widen the front rack bar, but then I realized half the cables would not make the stretch back to the module. Did you get them to match? (Clear/silver?)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MeTTaLLoiD View Post
              3. V-chinas. Stiiiiiiilllllll waiting.
              A good V-China is tremendous fun to play with!
              ATV aDrums & aD5, Pearl Mimic Pro & DIY, Agean R-series Silent Cymbals, Roland Handsonic HPD-20.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MeTTaLLoiD View Post

                4. The new VAD kits look cheap, like some entry-level kit you'd get from Best Buy. I don’t see the point of the shallow shells; isn’t the idea of the VAD kits to NOT look like electronic drums? On a positive note, they’re much cheaper than the current PD-108/128 pads (about $250, based on a currency conversion I did from a UK site already advertising them for sale as individual pads), and it looks like Roland finally figured out the secret to avoid hotspotting: take the damn sensor out of the center of the drum (I kid, but not really)!
                where have you seen them for sale as individual pads?
                purchased Alesis STRIKE, PD-85 rack toms, PD-105BK floor tom, Mapex snare with ISM-6, PDP MX 22" kick with ISM, iron cobra 900 double pedal, 2x hart e-cymbals, CY-5 as splash, CY-8, PCY-130, CY-12R, an L80 hi-hat with cheap-o trigger with goedrum hi hat controller. EZdrummer2+EZX/Addictive Drums 2 VSTs.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by winterson View Post

                  where have you seen them for sale as individual pads?
                  https://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/produ...00l-bk-tom-pad
                  TD-30 / SPD-SX

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                  • #10
                    all new roland pads you can buy separately https://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/rolan...rum-separates/

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                    • #11
                      At least with the side triggers people might be able start loosening up the heads of the toms to make them less bouncy.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tivi View Post
                        all new roland pads you can buy separately https://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/rolan...rum-separates/
                        If those prices include a 20% VAT which is not applicable in the US, then the price for the pads is actually competitive compared to Drum-Tec...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MeTTaLLoiD View Post
                          Did you get them to match? (Clear/silver?)
                          Pretty sure that wasn't an option. I went with black Mogami cable and Neutrik connectors with red boots for color-coding. Trying to negate any post-gig mysterious disappearing cables that my bandmates never seem to know anything about. :-)

                          TD-30 / SPD-SX

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