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  • Upgrade module or keep VST?

    Hi, all.

    I have a pretty simple drum module (Roland TD-1) and I've been using it to mostly trigger Addictive Drums 2 in my laptop. I was thinking about upgrading to the TD-17 and that would cost around 500,- EUR, but I'm now questioning if I should upgrade to a better drum module or if I should keep the VST approach.

    I can see the drum modules are easy to use than VST, but honestly, putting my laptop next to me, connecting the USB and opening Addictive Drums 2 is not a lot of work for me, specially giving the difference in the quality of the sound. That's why my module has been a midi trigger in the past months.

    Maybe there is a difference between how TD-17 and TD-1 sends the midi signals that makes worth upgrading? If there is, maybe it's worth buying a DDrum DDTI Trigger Interface for less than 200 EUR instead and using the rest of the money to buy better cymbals, pads and etc?

  • #2
    What do you use the VST for....what is your end goal?
    Having fun at home, gigging, recording?

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    • #3
      While the TD17 module is very good. SD3 still sounds and plays so much better, please you have a massive choice of kits and sounds to make anything you need. The cymbals and HiHat transitions are much better in SD3, especially with the Decades expansion for SD3. If you're not moveing the kit, Id stick to SD3 and your current module. But if you want to use a module that has a lot more options and features and just want to jump on the kit and play, then get the td17 module. After all, you can still use the td17 with SD3 as well,
      Roland TD-17 KVX - iMac 27" i9 16GB - Universal Audio Arrow audio interface via Thunderbolt 3 - Superior Drummer 3 - Komplete Ultimate 12 - Logic Pro X.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Whitten View Post
        What do you use the VST for....what is your end goal?
        Having fun at home, gigging, recording?
        I don't do gigs. I started with drums this year and I don't have any other goal than having fun at home. Sometimes, like once per month, I'm able to convince my friends to go rehearsal in a studio, but I basically just take my drum kick pedal, everything else is included in the price of the studio. So I'd say my end goal is study, learn, sometimes record something in Reaper and have fun.

        Originally posted by Whagi View Post
        While the TD17 module is very good. SD3 still sounds and plays so much better, please you have a massive choice of kits and sounds to make anything you need. The cymbals and HiHat transitions are much better in SD3, especially with the Decades expansion for SD3. If you're not moveing the kit, Id stick to SD3 and your current module. But if you want to use a module that has a lot more options and features and just want to jump on the kit and play, then get the td17 module. After all, you can still use the td17 with SD3 as well,
        Is there any difference between using a lower end module and a mid end module when using VST? Does the mid/high end modules provide any difference in the midi signals?

        Also, would I see any improvement by using a trigger interface (such as ddrum DDTi) over my low end Roland TD-1 module?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by psynchro View Post

          Is there any difference between using a lower end module and a mid end module when using VST? Does the mid/high end modules provide any difference in the midi signals?

          Also, would I see any improvement by using a trigger interface (such as ddrum DDTi) over my low end Roland TD-1 module?
          There is a difference between lower end and higher end modules for VST, for example Positional Sensing (not only). Look für eDrumin in this Forum, it really might do what you Need.

          Forget the ddrum DDTi.

          GoEdrum HiHat, Yamaha Cymbals, DW PDP Drumset with Jobeky Triggers and drumtec Pro Snare.
          Audiofront eDrumIn and 2Box drumit threes. Triggering EZD2, SD3 and SSD5.

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          • #6
            The midi signals are the same but it is the triggering engine that counts. Not all modules trigger well so the midi they send isn’t as accurate and can suffer from lack of dynamics/double triggering etc. I have found the Roland modules to be good but I haven’t tried any of the lower end modules. I’ve only used a td20 and td30. Also bare in mind SD3 can utilise positional sensing. The td17 does not have ps. This may not matter to you though
            Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by holzi2000 View Post

              There is a difference between lower end and higher end modules for VST, for example Positional Sensing (not only). Look für eDrumin in this Forum, it really might do what you Need.

              Forget the ddrum DDTi.
              Thanks! I'm following the eDrumin thread. I will do some research about the inputs though, since it has 4 inputs and my kit requires 9 inputs.

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              • #8
                I wouldn't ditch the module necessarily. Money for a TD-17 would be better spent on an audio interface.

                Better modules might introduce more inputs, more features; like PS and MIDI over USB, but otherwise for VST triggering, the differences are mostly academic. Midi latency on all Roland modules is roughly the same.

                Since you only need 9 inputs I'm hesitant to suggest MegaDRUM, as two eDrumin modules will cover you with some cable splitters to expand it a bit. With the option to buy another eDrumin in the future but the value is lost at that point imo.
                Last edited by Kabonfaiba; 01-08-20, 12:11 PM.
                ◾ Diamond Drums 4pc in Di-Noc carbon ◾ MegaDRUM
                ◾ Roland UA-1010 / cymbals / KT-10 (x2) ◾ Tama / Gibraltar hardware ◾ JBL LSR3 Series 2.1 Monitoring ◾ Pearl THMP-1
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                • #9
                  Yep, DDTi is way old.

                  A bigger module like the TD17 would surely be an improvement over your current module, but still so far away from the VST sounds you like at the moment.

                  As mentioned, if you want to stay in the realm of VSTs, two eDrumin units would do just fine. It's 8 physical input, but each input can be split, so for example, 4 toms would only need 2 inputs. And you still get head and rim sounds on each.
                  Your ride will only need one input as well, not two, following the Roland way, and still getting the 3 zones.

                  Instead of plugging one USB cable, you will need to plug in two. Not much to it.

                  One last thing.
                  if you like the compactness of the TD1, you could always keep it, add only one eDrumin unit to expand and add some extra pads, and have a much better HH and ride playing experience.
                  DTX700, A2E Dixon kit, Yamaha cymbals, FSR HH
                  Kit Pix http://vdrums.com/forum/album.php?albumid=613

                  My new venture, HiEnd Speakers. : voglosounds.com

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                  • #10
                    Several people mentioning SD3, but the OP is using Addictive 2.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by perceval View Post
                      Yep, DDTi is way old.

                      A bigger module like the TD17 would surely be an improvement over your current module, but still so far away from the VST sounds you like at the moment.

                      As mentioned, if you want to stay in the realm of VSTs, two eDrumin units would do just fine. It's 8 physical input, but each input can be split, so for example, 4 toms would only need 2 inputs. And you still get head and rim sounds on each.
                      Your ride will only need one input as well, not two, following the Roland way, and still getting the 3 zones.

                      Instead of plugging one USB cable, you will need to plug in two. Not much to it.

                      One last thing.
                      if you like the compactness of the TD1, you could always keep it, add only one eDrumin unit to expand and add some extra pads, and have a much better HH and ride playing experience.
                      Sorry, do you mean connecting hihat, snare and ride (and maybe kick too) to eDrumin and leaving the rest of toms and cymbals in the TD-1, and plugging both usb to the Mac then?

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                      • #12
                        yep!
                        DTX700, A2E Dixon kit, Yamaha cymbals, FSR HH
                        Kit Pix http://vdrums.com/forum/album.php?albumid=613

                        My new venture, HiEnd Speakers. : voglosounds.com

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by perceval View Post
                          yep!
                          I'm feeling super stupid for not thinking about it before... It's a really good idea!

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                          • #14
                            I had the TD1 for a year exclusively with VST. The triggering is excellent.
                            The only reasons I see for upgrading:
                            - 3 zone ride (though with velocity split I had the bell as well on a 2 zone ride)
                            - 2 zone toms
                            - troubleshoot false triggering if you have non Roland pads

                            You don' t mention what pads/cymbals you already have. If they are small and basic, it is way more cost efficient to purchase a whole kit alltogether, either new or used. Single pieces upgrade end up way more expensive if you need many changes. When I started a year ago I wasn't sure if I would keep on or drop drumming after a while, so I learned that the hard way...

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                            • #15
                              going the second hand route would help saving some money.
                              With the eDrumin, no need to stay with Roland... Yamaha and other cymbals are available, and they cost a fair bit cheaper than Roland's.
                              eDrumin supports all 3 zones on the Yamaha cymbals, so, HH, crashes and ride all have 3 zones to trigger (from a single input) if using the PCY135 and 155.

                              The snare can be DIYed to save some more.
                              If going with a real HH stand, just get a $10 square FSR and the triggering is superb after tweaking the kind of foam used.
                              DTX700, A2E Dixon kit, Yamaha cymbals, FSR HH
                              Kit Pix http://vdrums.com/forum/album.php?albumid=613

                              My new venture, HiEnd Speakers. : voglosounds.com

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