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    I am the lead guitar/owner of a 5 piece classic rock band, and I currently own a Roland TD-11k kit. I have upgraded the kit with all mesh heads, and Vexpressions Masters file is installed. I have not upgraded the kick or the Hi Hat.

    Disclaimer: I do not play the instrument, I allow our drummer to use it for gigs and practice. It's comical how many drummers we have been through in 3 years. I bought the original rig off of our first drummer for $500. He was looking to upgrade to a TD20, then he left the band shortly after. I kept the kit, because too many guys were coming in with these acoustic kits, and blowing our ear drums out. Absolutely no volume control with some of these bashers. So it's pretty simple when I own a kit, to get hired by us, you will play this kit or one just like it. We have finally landed on a really good drummer that is embracing electronic drums for the first time. I would like to simplify the "tuning" part for him, and I know Roland has a few kits that have faders for volume control. Those look like a cinch to tune on the fly at a gig. Much more than deep diving into sub menus on a tiny screen.

    In your opinion, what drum module would be best bang for my money for an upgrade? Do I need an upggrade?? Will a newer module make that big of a difference to these mesh heads and cymbals overall. Or should I look at getting a TD17 or TD25 kit with newer cymbals heads and etc.?

    Reverb has all kinds of modules for what seems like reasonable money. I just don't know anything about them other than the TD-11. I know the TD12 and TD20 & TD30 have faders. To be honest I thought the TD11 sounded hoakey until I bought the Vexpressions upgrade. Now it sounds good. As long as I can keep the same sound, but get an easier interface, that would make me( and my drummer) content

    Your thoughts are appreciated

  • #2
    A module like the TD-30 does offer faders, which can be used to quickly adjust individual pad volume. This type of module also offers more outputs which are beneficial in a live situation with using a PA and monitor setup. But it sounds like everything is already working fine as is, with no need to change, not?
    E-kit: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vpx92wez8v...3558.jpg?raw=1
    A-kit: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vxkwbj1rv7...345-1.jpg?raw=1
    TD-30, KT10, PD-105/125, 13" DIY + BT-1, VH-11/CY14/15/5, PM-30, HD-280 Pro

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    • #3
      As djska says above, it's a difficult one to quantify just how much difference the upgrade will give you beyond personal preference. If the ability to have faders is going to make a huge difference for your live shows, then it might just be worth it for you. If your pads are working well and you and/or the drummer are happy with the heads and cymbals, there's not much benefit to upgrading them other than increasing the size, especially as the TD-11 doesn't support positional sensing on the snare. And if you're happy with the sounds, it really is going to come down to how much stock you'll be putting in the interface and possible routing options.

      Going from the 11 to the 30 will be a significant jump in features, for sure. There's many more options for tweaking the sound, and as djska says, additional outputs for more control at the PA/FOH level. And, of course, individual faders for personal mix control. The sound set will be familiar as the 11 is based on the sounds from the 30, but your sounds will not be directly transferable as they are not identical. You will end up needing to try and recreate those sounds with the 30, or buy a similar VEX pack, if one is available for the 30 that matches your needs. So there's ever so slightly some potential trade-offs there if you're already very happy with the sounds, though it's unlikely that you won't manage to get better sounds out of the 30 with what is available.

      So, less long winded - deciding just how much those interface options are going to improve everything will literally be the key here since you appear to be happy with all the other aspects (ie. what djska said )
      Last edited by Pulsc; 08-15-19, 01:35 PM.

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      • #4
        i wouldn’t recommend tuning “on the fly” on a gig. if the drummer is keen he can learn the module at / before / after rehearsals and have the module and various kits within it set up for gigs. if you’re keen to upgrade, i don’t think a td17 or 25 would be much of a step up. a second-hand td30 would probably be the best ‘bang-for-buck’, but what djska said and what pulsc said
        E-Kits: Roland TD9v1, Yamaha DTX Multi12, Zendrum EXP; FD9, KT10 // Interfaces: Scarlett 2i4, Scarlett 6i6 // Sounds: Superior Drummer 3, Stompblock // Computers: Macbook, imac // Logic, Garageband // Headphones: ATH-M30x // Speakers: Yamaha DBR10, Yamaha HS7s // A-Kits: DIY compact kit, Mapex Meridian // Cymbals: Zildjian Ks, a few As and Sabians, and ...

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        • #5
          The TD-30 is a good module, but if you're not looking to spend as much then a TD-12 probably offers everything you want. It's missing individual outs which you'll find on the TD-30, but still has master and direct outputs which have always been enough for me.

          Like others have said though, if you're working with a sound engineer then they probably won't appreciate you messing with the levels mid-set, however if you control your own sound then these faders will help you get the right levels during a quick sound check.

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          • #6
            I’d hate to be told I had to play an ekit. I wouldn’t join a band who was going to dictate what I play. Drummers don’t dictate what instruments guitarist should play. Anyway gripe over. I would say the td30 for the sake it is still fairly recent and has plenty of features. The td12 and 20s are getting a bit old now. td25 and 17 may sound good but have very little on them for mixing and are a bit flimsy for gigging in my opinion.
            Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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            • #7
              I use a td-11 for gigging with Roland sounds. We have an extremely dry rehearsal room, and a band member commentet that the kit sounded like a real kit - at a gig! So as usual, the room has a big influence on the sound. To me, the Roland kit has a lot of positive things going for it: Most important, the sound level can be controlled, the kit does not take up much space, and I can change kit sound with a flick of a button. It´s like a guitarist being able to change guitar to get another sound. :-) Some drummers comment that they do not like the feeling of hitting pads. But drummers hit a lot of surfaces, drum heads, cymbals, drums and much more, so to me, that is nonsens. :-)

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              • #8
                I appreciate everyone's thoughts. We have had a few cases where the FOH guy has asked for an adjustment once the room was full in we are into our first set. The TD11 is a bit of a chase to modify an attribute, that's why I like the idea of individual faders. The sound is fine, that's why I wanted to know if there is more bang for the buck with a used TD30.

                Thanks!

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                • #9
                  pmv16,

                  pmv16 wrote:
                  I bought the original rig (Ed: TD-11K) off of our first drummer for $500. (snip) I kept the kit, because too many guys were coming in with these acoustic kits and blowing our ear drums out. Absolutely no volume control with some of these bashers.
                  I appreciate your frustration with musicians who have not learned to balance dynamically. However, this problem has little to do with acoustic drums and/or drummers. I've experienced this problem with musicians on many instruments, acoustic and electronic. You'll save a lot of time and frustration if you filter out musicians who don't have the necessary skills for your situation. Because really, borrowing your terminology, a basher on acoustic instruments is also a basher on electronic instruments. Yes, as bandleader, you can ride the volume control of electronic instruments, but if your musicians do not have the awareness to do this themselves, then you'll be forced to do it continuously, which is counter-productive and counter-musical to your role as bandleader.
                  Last edited by TangTheHump; 08-22-19, 07:03 PM.

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                  • #10
                    As mentioned, I’d probably recommend a TD-30, but it does come at somewhat of a cost... Usually around $1200-$1400 depending on condition. But it’s a rock solid module and there are several upgrades from VEX to Drum-Tec out there to help get a fuller, more dynamic tone out of it.
                    Roland TD-30 & TM-6 Modules | Superior Drummer 3 on PC | Tama Superstar Hyper-Drive Maple A2E w/ R-Drums Triggers | ATV aD Cymbals | Axis Pedals | Tama & Gibraltar HW | Focusrite Clarett 4Pre | Simmons DA200S Monitor | V-MODA Crossfade M-100 OEMs & MEE MX4 PRO IEMs

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                    • #11
                      I use Both the TD-30 and TD-25 for live gigs (about 130 gigs a year). Just remember. The TD-30 does have individual outs BUT and it a BIG BUT. The individual outs are RAW sounds. So it you've dial in the best sounding snare drum in the would on Kit 1,the individual snare out will be raw (No effects, compression, no nothing) Better have a great sound man at that point because it gonna sound like poop. The dialed in finished kit sounds will only come out of the stereo outs NOT the individual outs.
                      So when i play Live I pan My kick Drum right and everything else left to the master outs getting full effects that I've dialed in. I send the Kick to the subs and everything else to the tops, then send a little kick drum to the tops to get the high punch of the kick and send a little of everything else to the subs to get the low end of the toms and floor toms. I do the same thing mix-wise for my TD-25. I play a lot a casino's and they love it. Every once in a while I'll get a hardcore sound man that will insist he can get a better sound than me. I tell him you have 20 minutes to get a better snare drum sound than mine. Guess what? It's never happened.
                      I've also does the same with othe Roland modules

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ReeseRocket View Post
                        I use Both the TD-30 and TD-25 for live gigs (about 130 gigs a year). Just remember. The TD-30 does have individual outs BUT and it a BIG BUT. The individual outs are RAW sounds. So it you've dial in the best sounding snare drum in the would on Kit 1,the individual snare out will be raw (No effects, compression, no nothing) Better have a great sound man at that point because it gonna sound like poop. The dialed in finished kit sounds will only come out of the stereo outs NOT the individual outs.
                        Kind of misleading... You have instrument-level compression and EQ, and you have master-level compression and EQ. The DOs carry the instrument-level processing only. So, you do get modeling, EQ and compression. I wouldn't call that "raw". The master outs are exactly that - master outs. Master outs carry everything together.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Alan VEX View Post

                          Kind of misleading... You have instrument-level compression and EQ, and you have master-level compression and EQ. The DOs carry the instrument-level processing only. So, you do get modeling, EQ and compression. I wouldn't call that "raw". The master outs are exactly that - master outs. Master outs carry everything together.
                          I'm very willing be proven wrong on this one because it would help me if you are right. But.

                          According to the TD-30 block wiring diagram, No wiring conection is made from Multi effects or ambience/reverb send to the Setup Output Mater or Setup Output Direct to the direct outs bus. Nor is the Master Comp/EQ connected to anything but the Master L/R outs and Phones L/R outs. The same is true with Multi Effects MFX. I'll send you a Picture on the connections highlighted.

                          At least thats the way i see it. Plus I also called Roland and asked about this 2 years ago. They said the outs were Raw. I hope i'm wrong. If I am it's going to help me in live play.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ReeseRocket View Post

                            I'm very willing be proven wrong on this one because it would help me if you are right. But.

                            According to the TD-30 block wiring diagram, No wiring conection is made from Multi effects or ambience/reverb send to the Setup Output Mater or Setup Output Direct to the direct outs bus. Nor is the Master Comp/EQ connected to anything but the Master L/R outs and Phones L/R outs. The same is true with Multi Effects MFX. I'll send you a Picture on the connections highlighted.

                            At least thats the way i see it. Plus I also called Roland and asked about this 2 years ago. They said the outs were Raw. I hope i'm wrong. If I am it's going to help me in live play.
                            You just reinforced exactly what I said. I didn't mention MFX. I commented on the "raw" portion. You DO have eq & compression.
                            Alan
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Alan VEX View Post

                              You just reinforced exactly what I said. I didn't mention MFX. I commented on the "raw" portion. You DO have eq & compression.
                              Thank you Sir. :-)

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