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  • More realistic hi hat pedal feel?

    Hi. I am a brand new drummer (as of around a week ago). Already I am wondering about upgrades to the hi hat pedal that comes with the Roland TD1DMk Kit. I donít know the model offhand but is a very simple electronic pedal with no adjustments possible (that I could see). Honestly I have no frame of reference, having maybe 2 hours max on an acoustic kit, but the pedal doesnt respond the way I feel it should...using heel up technique I find myself having to actively press the ďtoeĒ of the pedal for a closed sound and on the other hand lift my leg way up off the prdal for an open sound, instead of the more subtle movements necessary to operate the kick drum pedal correctly. Maybe itís just lack of experience but I would think thereíd be alternatives with a better feel. Ive asked customer support and the vh10/11 will work with the td1 module; of course thatís a pretty expensive setup and Iíve read those style hats have their own issues. And then there are the FD6,7,8,9 pedals. Cant find too much online about how they FEEL, or what kind of adjuatments each has. There maybe other solutions out there that work with the TD1. Anyone have any thoughts?

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    the cheapest (best) solution would be buying a used fd-7.. these have a solid feel, at least you can keep 'time' on them..
    some other pedals are too spongy.. but do ask if open and close control (chick) is still 100% because half would have
    worn ribbons by now .. but with some luck you still find a good one.. (ebay, reverb etc)
    Audio | Video | Roland/Yamaha e-kit | Sonor/Gretsch a-kit | Zildjian/Sabian/Ufip cymbals

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    • #3
      Thanks. So youíd say the 7 over the 8 or 9?

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      • #4
        definitely no to 8 or 6 .. you'd have to try a fd-9 ..i don't know that one .. but that would be 35-40 bucks (fd-7) vs 180 bucks ..
        Audio | Video | Roland/Yamaha e-kit | Sonor/Gretsch a-kit | Zildjian/Sabian/Ufip cymbals

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        • #5
          Gotcha. I'll do more research. Not necessarily gonna jump on this right away but at some point.

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          • #6
            I'd definitely support what Ericdrumz wrote. I've got one 7 in the cellar, as a backup. Definitely a good feel on that one. However, since I also like the visual effect of a moving hat, my current choice is Goedrum controller with a real hi hat stand. There you can't really complain about the feel.
            However, the question remains whether it works well with TD1. Certainly no problems with TD11, so my bet would be on yes.
            TD-11 + TD-4 with a few pads and cymbals.
            https://www.vdrums.com/forum/perform...44011-my-kit-s
            https://osim.wikidot.com

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            • #7
              Just looked at the video...looks very cool. So you just mount the CY5 (I think thats the hi hat pad) on any real hi hat stand and the controller moves it up and down like one of those two piece hi hat pads?

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              • #8
                You can use any cymbal pad. I'm using Yamaha because the centre of gravity is in the middle and I like the look.
                See my signature.
                TD-11 + TD-4 with a few pads and cymbals.
                https://www.vdrums.com/forum/perform...44011-my-kit-s
                https://osim.wikidot.com

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                • #9
                  Thanks. I figure use CY5 since I already have it. I asked the goedrum seller on ebay if TD1 was compatible. Not sure how supportive to those kinds of questions (i.e using some other companyís stuff) Roland themselves are.

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                  • #10
                    Goedrum does not know if their units work with the TD1 but say they havent had reports that they dont work, and I could return if it doesnt work. So if were to go that route, what hi hat stand would you recommend? There are $120 hi hat stands and $60 hi hat stands, and I know some dont fit well with certain e-cymbals or the Goedrum unit because of the stand design. Also, what about instead of a stand, mounting the hat to an arm attached to the Roland frame? I dont know how pedals work with an arm-mounted hat as have virtually no experience with acoustic drums. With a stand fhe pedal and stand are attached or come together, right (as opposed to having to buy them separately)?
                    Last edited by TheBass; 03-05-19, 10:00 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Can't really recommend anything. That's a personal preference. I've tried a few and they all worked fine. The Goedrum will happily mount to pretty much any stand. You'll have to figure out how to fit the CY-5 so that it does not rotate. Not being a weight-balanced pad, that might not be the easiest thing to do. But try it out, maybe it will work just fine. I haven't tried, to be honest.
                      TD-11 + TD-4 with a few pads and cymbals.
                      https://www.vdrums.com/forum/perform...44011-my-kit-s
                      https://osim.wikidot.com

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                      • #12
                        With the kit mounts they have a sort of wedge shaped thing that fits into a corresponding wedge in the CY5 that keeps it from spinning. Not sure if any hat stands have that or if they make an adapter for that purpose.

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                        • #13
                          Figured I'd revive this rather than start a new thread. I've been thinking about getting one of the two-piece hi-hats that uses a real stand I know there are other threads about upgrading to a VH-11 or similar, just wanting to confirm/condense everything I (think) I know about upgrading.

                          Roland themselves just confirmed the VH-11 will work with a TD-1 module. However, I've read in other threads you can't calibrate it if using this module. So I would need a better module if I wanted the full feature set/calibration with this hat, correct? What would be a good model if I went this route? The TD-11? Something else? I know this starts getting pretty pricey at this point...close to the cost of the entire TD-1 kit!

                          Also I'm reading people have issues with the VH-11...false triggering, things like that, think I read the weight was an issue, causing the pedal on the hi hat stand to have a sluggish feel. So would the VH-10, or something else be a better alternative if I wanted to go this route?

                          I just think it'd be more fun to play/learn on something that acts like a real hat (and also help alleviate those acoustic kit jealousy feels). If I didn't mention it before I've been running the TD-1 into superior drummer 3 so the module sound quality is not really an issue.

                          Thanks.
                          Last edited by TheBass; 08-11-20, 02:39 PM.

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                          • #14
                            I would just point out (again) that goEdrum controller works perfectly after several years or everyday use. Now I have a 14" Alesis as the top hat and am (finally) quite happy with the hi-hat.
                            TD-11 also does not offer much in terms of calibrating the hi-hat controller. It does have a visual representation of the value, though. My controller is a bit off on one end (don't remember whether top or the bottom) but it poses no problems when using the module sounds. I've noticed that this has an effect with some VST software and would require calibration there, if possible. SD3 offers this but, since I haven't used your setup in a few years, I haven't tried adjusting.
                            TD-11 + TD-4 with a few pads and cymbals.
                            https://www.vdrums.com/forum/perform...44011-my-kit-s
                            https://osim.wikidot.com

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                            • #15
                              My bad..did not reread before necroposting. I only worry because as I mentioned goedrums say they don't know for sure if that controller with work with the TD-1. A techy drummer friend says you have to reverse the polarity or something to get those triggers to work, and the listings for those controllers specifically say they DON'T work with roland stuff (though same friend says this is something they legally have to say to keep them out of hot water and that it's not true).

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