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  • Official Roland TD-50 Discussion Topic

    This is the official TD-50 Discussion Thread.

    If you would like to read impressions and speculation discussed during the live release before the official specs were released, please read the last 10-12 pages of this thread first: https://www.vdrums.com/forum/general...ases-sept-9th/


    Please consider watching all of the videos in the second post. Many of your questions will likely be answered in those videos.

    Administrator's Note:

    Please do not message Roland representatives privately outside of this forum and/or on their personal Facebook page(s). They are starting to get overwhelmed, and the messages are beginning to intrude in their personal lives.

    Thank you!


    TD-50 Related links:

    TD-50 Module: https://www.roland.com/us/products/td-50/
    TD-50KV (Full Shells): https://www.roland.com/us/products/td-50kv/
    TD-50KV (Full Shells w/ KD-A22): https://www.roland.com/us/products/td-50kv_kd-a22/
    TD-50K (Compact Shells): https://www.roland.com/us/products/td-50k/

    Pads & Such:

    PD140-DS (Snare): https://www.roland.com/us/products/pd-140ds/
    KD-A22 (BD Conversion): https://www.roland.com/us/products/kd-a22/
    CY-18DR (Digital Ride): https://www.roland.com/us/products/cy-18dr/

    Racks:

    MDS-50KV (Chrome): https://www.roland.com/us/products/mds-50kv/
    MDS-50K (Black): https://www.roland.com/us/products/mds-50k/

    Downloadable PDF Owners Manuals:

    (to be added from https://www.roland.com/us/support/owners_manuals/t_z/)

    Roland Home Link to all subcategories: https://www.roland.com/us/categories/drums_percussion/
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    • #3
      Official Roland Direct Audio, Optimized Sound Quality











      Live Audio


      Last edited by Chris K; 12-04-16, 05:28 AM.
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      • #4
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        • #5
          So the new digital pads (snare and ride) aren't compatible with other brands modules due to the USB connection ...

          PS: sounds on these videos are much better than what I heard yesterday
          Robert

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          • #6
            Originally posted by puttenvr View Post
            So the new digital pads (snare and ride) aren't compatible with other brands modules due to the USB connection ...

            PS: sounds on these videos are much better than what I heard yesterday
            Ride Cymbal\snare only works with the TD-50 exclusively, not compatible with others Roland module from what Micheal Shack said in the video.
            Last edited by Chris K; 09-10-16, 02:54 AM.
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            • #7
              This is more like a TD-30x than a TD-50. Roland is simply skipping a model number to make it seem like a greater step up IMO.
              • Only three of the new (proprietary I guess) digital trigger inputs, two of which are reserved for snare and ride
              • Toms will still be center-mounted cone based with hot-spot
              • There's clearly machine gunning on the toms
              • The "new" digital ride has the classical I-didn't-get-the-bell-sound-at-first-so-I-need-to-hit-it-harder-and-not-with-the-tip issue
              Roland's new digital trigger and connector is a great way to force people to use a (new) Roland module.. At least I can't see why the ride has to be digital - it seems it's simply a scaled up CY-15 with a digital connector on it..

              I'm not surprised but still a bit disappointed - mostly because I can't justify the upgrade..
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              • #8
                Originally posted by qcaze View Post
                This is more like a TD-30x than a TD-50. Roland is simply skipping a model number to make it seem like a greater step up IMO.
                • Only three of the new (proprietary I guess) digital trigger inputs, two of which are reserved for snare and ride
                • Toms will still be center-mounted cone based with hot-spot
                • There's clearly machine gunning on the toms
                • The "new" digital ride has the classical I-didn't-get-the-bell-sound-at-first-so-I-need-to-hit-it-harder-and-not-with-the-tip issue

                Roland's new digital trigger and connector is a great way to force people to use a (new) Roland module.. At least I can't see why the ride has to be digital - it seems it's simply a scaled up CY-15 with a digital connector on it..

                I'm not surprised but still a bit disappointed - mostly because I can't justify the upgrade..
                I don't really agree. If you'll remember, they focused on the toms and snare with the 30. It's perfectly logical to target the most important pieces of the kit for further improvement. That would logically be the snare and ride. I think it will be a while before they come up with new tech for the toms. Again, I think it's a logical order.

                It's definitely not a 30X per se. The addition of loading samples is quite a leap for Roland.

                I agree the machine gunning is still there. For hard and less dynamic players, that's always going to be a pitfall.

                I think you're confusing the use of a single ride sound for many of the demos as "this is how the ride sounds". They wanted to show off that bell, because it's been such a finicky thing in the past. Again, makes sense to me. I'm sure there are less irritating sounds to choose from if you didn't like that one. Physically, you can see it's quite an improved design by the separation of the bell.

                Some good news is, this leaves a very small exit strategy for them moving forward. They're almost forced now to head toward multi velocity layered samples in the future. As the competition continues to grow in that area, Roland will feel the demand. Is it disappointing now? Sure, but I feel this was a logical step forward for them.

                Yet, I will say this again, Roland has a specific market, and that's the gigging pro, or hobbyist. Those two extremes benefit from the ability to have a compact unit all in one that can be edited and shaped without carrying tons of extra gear, and worrying about technical difficulties. Roland's hook for many is modeling, whether you believe it or not. It's that modeling that's keeping them in the number one slot. But, like I said, as the competition expands their offerings, Roland will begin to look weaker. So, I think their window into the next release is getting cramped to force multi layer samples.

                I think a lot of people will be much happier when they hear this thing in person. What remains to be seen is the validity of actual new sounds.
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                • #9
                  From the specs : TRIGGER IN jack x 14: 1/4-inch TRS phone type (Exclusion use with digital pad)

                  Not sure I read it well, but it sounds like total 14 inputs, TD-30 was 15

                  Maximum Note Storage: approx. 40,000 notes

                  This is outrageous, TD-30 was already that poor, and this type of memory costs nothing to add to the module. It had been asked by many users. With complex hihat playing it confines to a few minutes of MIDI recording only, so that means working on one song at a time...

                  Number of User Sample: Maximum 500 (includes factory preloaded user samples)
                  Sound Length (total): 24 minutes in mono, 12 minutes in stereo

                  To give you an idea, the BOSS RC-50 looper from 2006 was able to record 24 minutes of 3 stéréo loops + undo. Of course we're dealing today with flashram on the TD-50, but Yamaha, starting 2010 with the Motif XF series, offered several thousands multisamples to be load in the user flash card, and the latest Montage has a chip designed to host 8gb of ram, 6000 multisamples from factory and the ability to load 8000 more in the user area. In short, the tech inside the TD-50 is not new, it's more than probably still adapting within the limit of the current Roland DSP chip...

                  Best proof of that is the onboard sounds count, 400. The TD-30 was 1000+ total sounds, so if we count 500+400 we're talking here about a chip that sports a file system with the same file count limit.

                  No upgraded display, internal sampling rate still 44100Hz, still no digital output, we're looking at the same old Roland style of update, with the bare minimum here to catch us like the last time... I wouldn't give it 6 months before TD-50 complaints and bashing threads appear, just like with the TD-30.

                  And then digital pads with all the risk it will have to fail, and will necessarily fail and defect electronically. Electronics you can beat with a stick, not a good idea, and the proprietary system, such a great way to keep the customer base captive... Digital USB pads, it means these will need the 5V feed from the USB line to operate. So there are electronic components in these pads, and at least one microchip to deal with the USB specs and the voltage, which means basically extremely fragile components and circuits in a device you will hit all day long... Not a good idea at all!

                  I'm sorry but we all said we wouldn't consider the next TD module if it was only the old Roland trick. This is, and they are only the first to shoot their cartridge, it's more than urgent to just wait and see imo.
                  Last edited by Rhappy-dude; 09-10-16, 03:17 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by qcaze View Post
                    This is more like a TD-30x than a TD-50. Roland is simply skipping a model number to make it seem like a greater step up IMO.[*]There's clearly machine gunning on the toms.
                    less then TD-30 and the sound are more natural on toms, most of Td-30 toms sound have a "notes synth" mixed with tone...these was the things remove all realism in TD-30.

                    Originally posted by qcaze View Post
                    [*]The "new" digital ride has the classical I-didn't-get-the-bell-sound-at-first-so-I-need-to-hit-it-harder-and-not-with-the-tip issue
                    Roland's new digital trigger and connector is a great way to force people to use a (new) Roland module.. At least I can't see why the ride has to be digital - it seems it's simply a scaled up CY-15 with a digital connector on it..
                    .


                    For the ride it's not scaled CY-15, did you ever tweaked your ride for the bell?


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                    • #11
                      Rhappy, again, we understand you hate this thing. We don't need to hear it every post, like we did before. You've been back one day, and you're starting up again. If you feel this way, why don't you just stay out of the thread.

                      By the way, you're forgetting the 3 digital ins; two of which are used by the new snare and ride. The 30 counted the HH as one and the ride as two. This gives you the extra IN in the specs. It actually has 16, if you count them all. With the 50 using two of the digital INs, this leaves the original snare and two ride INs (which I believe are still there) for other things. So, if I understand correctly, you actually have extra INs now if you use the digital snare and ride. Obviously, one of the extras will be digital as well. (I think I got that right) (See video number 2 at the top)
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                      • #12
                        But there was no problem with the CY-15, only with the sound in the TD-30... This digital pads novelty is killing the deal totally. Proprietary tech + embedded active electronics + drumming = lots of failure, breakdown, electrical and electronic issues, no modding allowed, much shorter lifespan, and the exclusion use of a TRS input, etc. No way!

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                        • #13
                          Good points on the ride I haven't actually read the specs as they are more often than not twisting reality (I have personally contributed to this at my job). However, in the second video you posted she experiences the issue with the bell that I'm referring to regardless of all the nice specs ;-)
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by qcaze View Post
                            Good points on the ride I haven't actually read the specs as they are more often than not twisting reality (I have personally contributed to this at my job). However, in the second video you posted she experiences the issue with the bell that I'm referring to regardless of all the nice specs ;-)
                            I had this issue what you talked with the td-15, I just tweaked the bell ride parameter on the trig setting, must config with your playing.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by qcaze View Post
                              Good points on the ride I haven't actually read the specs as they are more often than not twisting reality (I have personally contributed to this at my job). However, in the second video you posted she experiences the issue with the bell that I'm referring to regardless of all the nice specs ;-)
                              I must be missing where she's having a problem? I didn't see any mistriggering or missed hits, that I could tell.
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