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Okay, we're coming full circle: you want stand-alone, plug-and-play.
Advice that was given to me ten years ago and that we've repeated repeatedly here over the years: buy "the most module" you can afford up front. You can extrapolate that to "buy the most kit you can afford" up front but since we tend to talk in terms of the foundation of any kit, the module, that's what we use in terms of advice.
Sound quality for a beginning edrummer isn't nearly the thing it is for people who've been into it for a while as you've most likely already determined from this thread. With that in mind, I'd still suggest buying the TD-12 if you budget comes down to that or the TD-15. Now, if you can budget for "more module" at this point, you should. Also remember that old (cheaper) pads will work just fine on something like the TD-30 module so one way is to piece together the kit over time but spending the big money up front on the module.
Just more things to consider.
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If $ is not the main concern why not get the TD30 and be set for quite some time!?
Who cares about overkill?
It will fill all needs if you change your mind and don't want to spend hours configuring vsts.
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I'm surprised that the mention of Megadrum has not come up. If you are triggering VST and want cost effectiveness and versatility it seems to be the way to go. It's only about $300 for Dmitri the maker of megadrum to make one for you and has up to 56 inputs with very low latency and positional sensing. Granted it is much more in the realm of DIY but I think it is the way to go especially if you already have the computer and vst software. And as long as you understand that you are getting a midi I/O box and not a module that makes sounds of any typeLeave a comment:
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Every time I look at this thread I see something new to read up on. Wow.
Are there any owners of TD30's that have had a TD15kv or TD12 that can share their experiences of the three relative to each other?
I like the idea of the TD12 and TD30 having bigger drums with the additional options with available on the modules.
To be clear I am more interested in plug and play than hooking up with additional software. At least for now... But in saying that I intend on buying once. What is worrying me a little is that I buy something that I'd want to replace a year or so down the line.
I am thinking of upping my budget to facilitate this, even if I don't need all of the features straight away. Sorry for the continued indecisiveness guys!
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Again good advice, and I absolutely love those Drum-Tec vids with Ralf Schumaker. He is insanely good!!!Originally posted by TangTheHump View Post
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Originally posted by TangTheHump View Post
Hey Tang, no worries. I didn't take any offense. Rather, I enjoy all of us sharing our knowledge and experiences here. That's what it's for! I guess the one benefit of triggering with the new modules is the ability to send digital audio back to the module without another device. That is a great feature. I also agree with yours and the other comments here about latency, if it's noticeable, it's probably the settings in the software. Fix those, and you won't have an issue.
In regards to Roland's claims, I sort of agree. Not that I disagree, I'm just not sure some of them are false, such as 30% faster triggering. I can't support either side, but I would also add that the difference between 4millisec and 2.8 msec will be hardly perceivable to the human ear, but it would be something measurable. I hope Roland did carry out those tests before making their claims.
What I have been able to perceive with the TD-11 running EZDrummer (a buffer setting of 64) sent back into my TD-11 is this. If I don't turn local control "off", I can hear the module's sounds ever so slightly ahead of the VST's. Is sounds like a chorus/delay effect. It's telling me the latency is there, but I can't say I actually hear it otherwise.
At the end of the day, I am thrilled about converting from a TD-30 to VSTs. They're not for everyone, I know. Some gigging drummers fear crashes, etc. But for home studio playing, the sounds can't be beat.
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Can anyone suggest whether this is actually noticeable?
To most people, no. Having said that, I've seen a couple of people here over the years who were obsessed with this sort of thing and stated they could tell the difference. In most cases of latency that we've seen, it almost always comes down to settings on the computer's audio interface.
Again, I've done a ton of recording on my TD-10 then TD-12 and have tested a slew of kits for dD Mag. When I do that, I always test them for MIDI triggering using EZD and I've never had an issue.
This has been a great thread btw. Lots of great discussion that typifies the vdrums community at its best!
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jpsquared482,
Although you and I disagree on some topics in this thread, I respect your experience and opinion. Just wanted to underline that so you don't think I'm taking a shot at you personally. We each have our experiences to share and I think different viewpoints are essential in creating intelligent debate and new ideas. Thanks for giving me some new things to think about.
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Roland claimed all kinds of things with the current generation of V-Drums and especially with the flagship TD-30. I've found most (if not all) of the claims are false. Examples: no machine gunning, much greater pad and cymbal sensitivity, sonic performance so good you can't tell it from the real thing. I think Roland's marketing folks get carried away and forget to check their claims with the actual products. At any rate, some of the absolute best VST demos I've seen and heard are from Drum-Tec using a TD-12. Were I simply wanting to trigger VSTs and I could find a TD-12 on the cheap, that's the route I'd go. Lots of inputs that all have separate, quarter inch jacks. Quick, flawless triggering. Flexible trigger settings and positional sensing. Nice user interface. Very reliable and easy to get service for because it's Roland gear. Ticks all the essential boxes.
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Originally posted by Intruder View Post
That's good advice. You can get a used TD-12 for about $600, maybe less. A point worth consideration: since the TD-11 has 30% faster triggering than previous gen modules (according to Roland), and because it operates as a digital audio output device (negates the need for a piece of hardware between module and computer), this offers better triggering performance (speed, simplicity). Can anyone suggest whether this is actually noticeable? I only have the TD-11 into my Mac via USB/MIDI and it's fast.Leave a comment:
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For VST use only I would go with the TD12 because of inputs and PS. Save the extra $ for more SD expansion paks.
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I'd get two TD-11s used for about $800 before I'd get a TD-30 if all you're doing is triggering VSTs. You'll save a good deal of dough. Of course this will only work if you have a Mac and do a MIDI Aggregation: http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1215
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Yep, buying a TD30 just to trigger Superior or any other VSTs is a bit overkill. If you need all the inputs a TD30 would provide, check out the Megadrum module.Leave a comment:
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I don't think you need to up your budget if you're looking to use a TD-12 to trigger Superior Drummer. I've recorded stuff for years first on an exp TD-10, then on my TD-12 and have never had latency issues.
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