A suggestion for Putt and Alex

[Steve Gardner]

In the future, if you see me selling a product on line, please be a tad considerate. Alex, I honestly believe you were just looking for some answers to why one would be selling. Putt, you were all but killing my chances in these classifieds. Your same old negative spew about the product under my for sale thread.Thanks, you are a real nice guy.

[puttenvr]

Okay

(I just tried to share paranoid feelings with Alex 'cause he asked me about them. But okay, the discussion part in the discussion forum is a better place).


Have you tried selling the V's at http://www.drummersweb.com/ads ?

Good site

[Steve Gardner]

Next time try to use your head. You make a point of coming in here daily, dissing V drums to all of the people who enjoy them and generally creating a nuisance of yourself. When you take that to the classifieds where some members are trying to sell and you continue your spew, you cross the line.Jesus Putt, you have made it more than clear how you feel. Why screw things up for us?

[Marc.]

Harold, I'm afraid I'm going to have to side with Steve on this. Your negativeness he mentions, does that sound familiar to you? Yes, we have shared our own moments (of which I shall always cherish), and you used to be helpful when you owned your Roland gear, but lately your input has been vague with a lot of guess-work. And now this. Rob, knowing you as we have, I am really surprised. I would have expected an apology in response to Steve, but since you did not, ... I wonder ...

tsk, tsk, tsk,
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[spark]

Steve,

you made your feelings clear in your first post, and Put said he understood, and then offered some advice to help you make your sale.

No need to keep coming at him. As far as his other posts go, I find them to be helpful, as it is good to hear both sides of a topic, you know?

blah blah, yaK.


Spark

[Steve Gardner]

Yeah Spark, I understand. Sometimes when someone pisses you off, the initial rant and vent by the offended isn't enough. I obviously did not feel that his first response was very satisfying. He still came off as quite clueless. I will put the kabosh on this topic and list my item on Ebay.

[puttenvr]

Originally posted by Marc.:
Your negativeness he mentions, does that sound familiar to you?

Marc., does the negativeness (or realism) below sound familiar to you ?

posted by Steve Gardner

" My toms were dissapointing. The snare was alright, not the crack I am used to. "

[cgrieves]

In this quote, Steve was referring to the sound from his PA on his first ever live gig with the V-Drums. Hardly a scathing critique on the inherent sound quality or realism of the instument. I guess you had to search hard for that example of criticism by Steve. In terms of negativeness about the V's he isn't even in the same solar system.

Putt's posts used to irritate me, but nowadays you can be sure whenever there's a question about the Vs, there's a negative review by Putt right there within a few minutes. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but the inevitability of it does grate after a while. Now I just skip those posts and read on for the useful info from the other members.

However, I can see how in a classified ad this would become more than irritating.

Personally I could care less how Putt feels about the Vs, after all I'm the one sitting there playing the instrument.

[This message has been edited by cgrieves (edited December 20, 2000).]

[BtnkBndt]

Originally posted by spark:
No need to keep coming at him. As far as his other posts go, I find them to be helpful, as it is good to hear both sides of a topic, you know?

The problem here is putts onesidedness I believe. He comes in here inevidibly slamming the V's and reporting the D's as gods gift to edrums. He has his right to do so, but weve all heard this plenty. Do you see anyone slamming the ddrums here or on the ddrum board?

How did his posts help you on this thread?
http://www.vdrums.com/discussion/For...ML/000448.html

He plain and simple put us all off as idiots and offered no insights to your question at all.(did you not catch this?)

Also, from reading his previous posts he uses but one acoustic kit on the D's. If I just needed one acoustic kit I would play acoustic drums. I do myself know how to tune drums. I am quite happy and content with my Roland equipment, I still am quite satisfied I made the right decision. We are talking two totally different aspects here. I think Roland should be commended for breaking new ground with much more to come I'm sure, they've only just begun (you don't like it you don't have to buy it). Ddrums.....well you've got great samples.

Okay putt its your turn,

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[This message has been edited by BtnkBndt (edited December 20, 2000).]

[puttenvr]

Originally posted by BtnkBndt:
He comes in here inevidibly slamming the V's and reporting the D's as gods gift to edrums.

I never did. I still think the Vdrum is a good drum kit for those who like the typical Roland sounds and just want to have fun with all the edit options, effects, room simulations, sequencers, etc and I do have my comments on the d's as well. Nothing or nobody is perfect.

For some people it's seems to be very difficult to read my posts. I wrote more than 750 of them. Perhaps 30 were negative or sceptical. I read more than 200 posts from other Vdrum users around here who are as sceptical as I am. Or even more. At least my other 720 posts were positiv or neutral. Please use the search function and find out ...

[b]I think Roland should be commended for breaking new ground with much more to come. I'm sure, they've only just begun

[b]

Roland is working for over 15 years on electronic drums, so may we expect something from them?

[cgrieves]

>I never did.

Ah, we must all be wrong then. So we can expect glowing reviews and positive feedback and help about the Vs from you from now on then? (Which is, after all, what this site is for, as opposed to an intermediate route to ddrums.com)

The Vdrums are a great instrument, full stop. There's enough sonic potential in there for extremely authentic sounding drums. Sure, there are is a variety of sounds varying from synthetic to authentic, but I wouldn't have it any other way. When recorded in a musical context, they can be indistinguishable from real drums from a listening standpoint.

At purchase decision time, one look at the Ddrum spec sheet told me they weren't the product for me. But I certainly won't be stopping off at ddrums.com trying to antagonise ddrum users for their choice.

CGrieves.

P.S. I still don't accept your argument about the ambience and effects detracting from the unit as a professional instrument. With three keypresses I can turn off all internal signal processing and obtain a dry sound. Personally I'd rather have capabilities and not use them rather than not have them in the first place.

[Steve Gardner]

Thanks Cgrieves. Putt has done an awful lot of assuming and digging when it comes to my posts. He obviously has some issuse, I am not sure why. On my classified ad, he is attempting to tell Alex in vague terms why one(me in this case) would be selling. All the while he is killing any chances I have of selling. He really has no idea why, but he chooses to speculate. He then digs up a post of mine where I am seeking suggestions on how to improve tom sounds and snare sounds. He attempts to paint that as a negative post.This is again very inaccurate.I am not really understanding what is motivationg him at this point.

[rus]

Anyone else from RMMP starting to feel really comfortable right now?

This is just like home
rus

[Alexander]

Originally posted by Steve Gardner:
On my classified ad, he is attempting to tell Alex in vague terms why one(me in this case) would be selling.

Hehehe ! So Why Are you selling them, Steve? I hope I'm not disappointed when I eventually play my V's & KC-500 out live?!?!

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Thanx Much.
Alex.

[e-drummer]

has anyone seen that guy over at DDrums who wants to swap a DDrum for a Gigastudio 160 software sampler.