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  • New to drumming and VST's

    Hey

    I'm fairly new to drumming,
    Finally got myself an electric kit so I can practice and as I expected it sounds awful.
    Before buying i'd read you can connect via midi or USB (midi to usb cable on order) already tried the usb, toontrack solo won't recognise the drums

    I can't find where to edit my signiture. so.

    I have the Millennium Transformer Bundle with the MPS 600 module
    which is this: http://www.thomann.de/gb/millenium_t...mer_bundle.htm
    And after watching video reviews etc know that with a VST it can sound like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_8rqxBN0cA

    PC wise i've got a windows 7 HP laptop with windows 7, AMD something quad code 8gb ram.
    However the kit is next to my main pc AMD a10 FM2 Socket 3.80 GHz 16Gb ram

    Both 64 bit.

    The module as is is a bit odd, The snare and bass drum are pretty loud. Cymbals and toms are a level down from that and the close hi hat even quieter than that.
    Thats with all the levels turned right up.
    Also having issues with Tom 2 and 3 where I'll strike them and they just won't trigger,
    Seems to be mainly when playing them quickly or with another drum, etc, snare and tom 3

    So as you can see i've got a few issues.

    Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can solve the issues with the toms?

    I'm going to have a dig through this forum now for vst advise, found this with a mention of a vst for dummies thread that i've not managed to find yet.

    Any specific advice you can offer to why toontrack solo and the drumkit from hell won't recognise the drums as a midi device even though they are visible in windows would be appreciated.



  • #2
    couldn't find online if the USB port is working as a MIDI port as well.

    You probably have to navigate your module's menu and assign MIDI to the USB port, if it can.
    Did it come with drivers to install on your PC?

    In Solo, make sure the Medelli appears in the menu "Options... MIDI Devices" and select your module from there.

    Here's the VST primer thread (the dummies thread):
    http://www.vdrums.com/forum/forum/ad...all-vst-primer
    DTX700, eDRUMin 4+10, A2E Dixon kit, Yamaha cymbals, FSR HH
    Kit Pix http://vdrums.com/forum/album.php?albumid=613

    My new venture, HiEnd Speakers. : voglosounds.com

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    • #3
      Awesome. Thanks for that.

      the issue I was having is that no midi devices were detected.
      There didn't seem to be a usb option attached to the midi options in the module.

      i'll have to have another dig through the manual.

      I should have a midi to usb adapter waiting for me when i get home today so shall see if that has any effect.

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      • #4
        Hmmm... might be interesting to know what that USB port is for then...
        DTX700, eDRUMin 4+10, A2E Dixon kit, Yamaha cymbals, FSR HH
        Kit Pix http://vdrums.com/forum/album.php?albumid=613

        My new venture, HiEnd Speakers. : voglosounds.com

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        • #5
          Go with the dedicated MIDI-to-USB cable and make sure you have your cable's MIDI-driver installed (...so it shows up selectable in the 'MIDI Devices'-menu)..!


          "My best friends' name is J-SON. They used to call him 'Mr. Parse.' He has an 'Error'..!"

          http://www.vdrums.com/forum/core/cus...ar33631_4.jpeg

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          • #6
            Well that was a faff USB showing as an available device in windows. But not recognised in solo So midi to USB cable bought. About an hour before I figured out the in from the cable needed to plug into the out on the module Now all set up and working bar about a 1 second lag. Expected that tbh as using the onboard motherboard sound. So ideally I'd like a pcie card for the desktop Believe it needs to be asio compatible However I think I'm better getting an external USB sound card incase I ever need to use it with the laptop. Any suggestions for a good one?

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            • #7
              In the meantime, try to download and install the asio4all driver. See if it has a positive effect on your computer's latency (...that's the fancy term for the '1-second lag'....!)


              HTH


              "My best friends' name is J-SON. They used to call him 'Mr. Parse.' He has an 'Error'..!"

              http://www.vdrums.com/forum/core/cus...ar33631_4.jpeg

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              • #8
                No luck unfortunately with the asio for all driver Limited budget for a while now But would this work do you think? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B000...AC_SX110_SY165

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                • #9

                  Originally posted by jeffstu View Post
                  No luck unfortunately with the asio for all driver Limited budget for a while now But would this work do you think? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B000...AC_SX110_SY165

                  I'm also interested if anyone has had any success with the Behringer UCA202, particularly with the TD-11 module.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jeffstu View Post
                    No luck unfortunately with the asio for all driver Limited budget for a while now But would this work do you think? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B000...AC_SX110_SY165
                    No MIDI with that one. So no VST, only module sounds.
                    DTX700, eDRUMin 4+10, A2E Dixon kit, Yamaha cymbals, FSR HH
                    Kit Pix http://vdrums.com/forum/album.php?albumid=613

                    My new venture, HiEnd Speakers. : voglosounds.com

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by perceval View Post
                      No MIDI with that one. So no VST, only module sounds.
                      Would i need midi with the sound card if I have a separate midi to usb cable?
                      Or is the latency caused by using usb?

                      Currently trying to figure out if the latency is coming from having the midi to usb cable separate to the sound card
                      or if it's an incompatibility the sound card.

                      Can't seem to find anything that is listed as a midi sound card thats cheap. everything seems to be just a way to connect midi to your PC,

                      Already have that bit sorted, So should I just need a ASIO compatible / no latency sound card (usb or otherwise)
                      or will i need the midi input to the pc and sound output to be handled by one device to the the lowest latency possible?
                      Last edited by jeffstu; 02-26-14, 04:40 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Aha!

                        digging through the drivers for the motherboard on the pc found an asio driver.
                        now all working with pretty much no latency

                        finally some decent sounds!

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                        • #13
                          Good. Glad you got it sorted out. Happy drumming.
                          DTX700, eDRUMin 4+10, A2E Dixon kit, Yamaha cymbals, FSR HH
                          Kit Pix http://vdrums.com/forum/album.php?albumid=613

                          My new venture, HiEnd Speakers. : voglosounds.com

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                          • #14
                            Thanks for your help.

                            To answer my own question for anyone that is reading this and is confused.

                            I could have got an external sound card and used the midi to USB cable too, you'll get slightly higher latency like that.
                            So

                            If your looking to build the best setup your best buying either

                            A PCI sound card with midi input or
                            a USB sound card with midi input.
                            PCI if you can as that will be quicker than USB every mili second counts.

                            Also in asio buffer settings, the lower the setting the lower latency you'll have, increase it if your getting errors in the sounds / pops etc.
                            And don't forget the in midi cable need to go to the OUT on your module

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                            • #15
                              Nothing more to add to your fine summary!
                              Well ...maybe the quick notion that a PCI-option will be out of question if you're working on a laptop...




                              "My best friends' name is J-SON. They used to call him 'Mr. Parse.' He has an 'Error'..!"

                              http://www.vdrums.com/forum/core/cus...ar33631_4.jpeg

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