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Alright not sure if this is a good spot for it or not but oh well. 
I'm going to be recording an E.P. for my main tech/progressive metal band and a demo for my pop/rock/synth'y other band in the next few months. I'm not sure my best route to go as far as everything.
I've got Superior 2 and admititly havn't really used it all that much, only messing around here and there til' I acutally get all my drums tracked and then go from there.
I record everything MIDI while just listening through my sounds on the TD-20 through the PA. Then I'll go back in and either use the TD-20 sounds or Superior or BFD or whatever. So basically the entire point of that was saying I don't play through Superior or BFD when I record, just only as a playback.
I've also recently heard of Drumagog and heard nothing but amazing reviews of that but the interface looks a little "Windows 3.1" if you will and I'm still not 100% sure of what exactly it does. I know it's a drum replacement tool but can I use it with MIDI, and if everything is as good as I hear it being used on huge major bands and with big dog producers why don't I hear more about it in the VST board on here? Is anyone using it and can explain a little better?
I don't need ULTRA realistic drums per say for my Ashes Of Atrocity (prog metal) band as theres crazy guitars and stuff behind it and I'm doing a lot of technical stuff, off time beats, and double bass/blast stuff. So everything kind of has to stay consistant. There are certain parts, especially with the newer songs were doing where we have some slower stuff where I'm doing a lot of different articulations on the snare and ghost notes and such between the hats and snare and ride.
I do not have the Expansion Card yet, but I'm recording a band next weekend for a quick demo for 200-300 bucks and recording a drum track for my neighbors guitar project thing for 120 this week so that money could definitley buy the card. If I did the TD20 route, I'd just go through and make "X" amount of MIDI tracks with just the snare on 1, just kick on another, tom 1, tom 2, tom 3, tom 4, splash 1, splash 2, china, ride, crash 1, crash 2, hats and then just run my left master out as a MONO in from each track at max volume and do all the volume and panning in Sonar.
I would also be able to do a lot more post processing on individual cymbals and toms and such for a more boomier or higher/brighter feel depending on the one which I feel would lead to a more acoustic feel anyways and better blend in sound. Would this be a good way to do that vs. just spending a bunch of $$$ on cables and using the direct outs? I know hitting "record" and playing the MIDI back 16 times is time consuming but I'm at home in my project studio so time isn't an issue, lol.
Or if I recorded with Superior/BFD I'd just bounce the tracks to the 24 bit and import the WAV's into Sonar and then do post processing there per track, etc. Same with BFD (although I havn't used it yet so still not sure whether to snag it up or not).
Just looking at all my options and which one you guys would suggest, I havn't had the chance to really hear any of the Expansion Card stuff yet I read people realllly liking it. I would prefer not to mix Superior sounds with the TD20 sounds as that'd just be even more confusing and I don't think it'd blend all that well together, IMO.
Does anybody have a full mix done with either Superior/BFD/TDW-20 then can share? And if someone could A/B a mix of the exact song but one with the expansion card and one with superior or something else that'd be awesome then I could really sit and listen to differences.
Examples of my band music (older stuff, our new stuf is way more technical, yet melodic) is at www.myspace.com/ashesofatrocity
I spent a good amount of time getting my drums down realllly good on those, and we spent a lot of time on the guitar, but did a real quick just mix of volume and panning automation, no effects, and all my drums are just done from I think "Studio 1" of the VEX packs with a few other things tweaked just ran straight as a stereo track from the TD20 and they're all dead center I didn't pan any of anything either way, lol. But everyone kept asking if that was my acoustic kit in the recordings and when I said "No" they were real surprized.
Sorry for such a huge post, I tend to ramble and never stop typing, g-damn fast fingers! But I really appreciate any and all help. Thanks!
.Adam.
I'm going to be recording an E.P. for my main tech/progressive metal band and a demo for my pop/rock/synth'y other band in the next few months. I'm not sure my best route to go as far as everything.I've got Superior 2 and admititly havn't really used it all that much, only messing around here and there til' I acutally get all my drums tracked and then go from there.
I record everything MIDI while just listening through my sounds on the TD-20 through the PA. Then I'll go back in and either use the TD-20 sounds or Superior or BFD or whatever. So basically the entire point of that was saying I don't play through Superior or BFD when I record, just only as a playback.
I've also recently heard of Drumagog and heard nothing but amazing reviews of that but the interface looks a little "Windows 3.1" if you will and I'm still not 100% sure of what exactly it does. I know it's a drum replacement tool but can I use it with MIDI, and if everything is as good as I hear it being used on huge major bands and with big dog producers why don't I hear more about it in the VST board on here? Is anyone using it and can explain a little better?
I don't need ULTRA realistic drums per say for my Ashes Of Atrocity (prog metal) band as theres crazy guitars and stuff behind it and I'm doing a lot of technical stuff, off time beats, and double bass/blast stuff. So everything kind of has to stay consistant. There are certain parts, especially with the newer songs were doing where we have some slower stuff where I'm doing a lot of different articulations on the snare and ghost notes and such between the hats and snare and ride.
I do not have the Expansion Card yet, but I'm recording a band next weekend for a quick demo for 200-300 bucks and recording a drum track for my neighbors guitar project thing for 120 this week so that money could definitley buy the card. If I did the TD20 route, I'd just go through and make "X" amount of MIDI tracks with just the snare on 1, just kick on another, tom 1, tom 2, tom 3, tom 4, splash 1, splash 2, china, ride, crash 1, crash 2, hats and then just run my left master out as a MONO in from each track at max volume and do all the volume and panning in Sonar.
I would also be able to do a lot more post processing on individual cymbals and toms and such for a more boomier or higher/brighter feel depending on the one which I feel would lead to a more acoustic feel anyways and better blend in sound. Would this be a good way to do that vs. just spending a bunch of $$$ on cables and using the direct outs? I know hitting "record" and playing the MIDI back 16 times is time consuming but I'm at home in my project studio so time isn't an issue, lol.
Or if I recorded with Superior/BFD I'd just bounce the tracks to the 24 bit and import the WAV's into Sonar and then do post processing there per track, etc. Same with BFD (although I havn't used it yet so still not sure whether to snag it up or not).
Just looking at all my options and which one you guys would suggest, I havn't had the chance to really hear any of the Expansion Card stuff yet I read people realllly liking it. I would prefer not to mix Superior sounds with the TD20 sounds as that'd just be even more confusing and I don't think it'd blend all that well together, IMO.
Does anybody have a full mix done with either Superior/BFD/TDW-20 then can share? And if someone could A/B a mix of the exact song but one with the expansion card and one with superior or something else that'd be awesome then I could really sit and listen to differences.
Examples of my band music (older stuff, our new stuf is way more technical, yet melodic) is at www.myspace.com/ashesofatrocity
I spent a good amount of time getting my drums down realllly good on those, and we spent a lot of time on the guitar, but did a real quick just mix of volume and panning automation, no effects, and all my drums are just done from I think "Studio 1" of the VEX packs with a few other things tweaked just ran straight as a stereo track from the TD20 and they're all dead center I didn't pan any of anything either way, lol. But everyone kept asking if that was my acoustic kit in the recordings and when I said "No" they were real surprized.
Sorry for such a huge post, I tend to ramble and never stop typing, g-damn fast fingers! But I really appreciate any and all help. Thanks!
.Adam.
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