Welcome! If this is your first visit, you will need to register to participate.

DO NOT use symbols in usernames. Doing so will result in an inability to sign in & post!

If you cannot sign in or post, please visit our vBulletin Talk section for answers to vBulletin related FAQs.

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Kicking And Screaming My Way to EZDrummer....

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Kicking And Screaming My Way to EZDrummer....

    ...and now Superior 2 is in the house.

    Several months ago I started working on a project with my friend Peter, a singer/songwriter in Australia whom I've known for several years. We've tried to work together in the past but he's never been a fan of the Roland TD-20 sounds, even though I had programmed what I thought were some really good sounding drums, and we didn't have any other alternatives. Peter never felt that the sounds were what he wanted to hear in his music, and eventually he decided to look into some software that would allow him to produce his own drum tracks.

    I heard some demos for a couple of his recent songs, and while the drum sounds were pretty good, the drum parts weren't up to the level of the rest of his tracks. I asked him to send me a song and I recorded a new part for him, but only sent him a MIDI file so he could program his own drum sounds. One of the programs he had purchased was EZDrummer, and when he sent me a mix of the song, I couldn't believe the difference in how the track sounded, compared to the way I had heard it with the Roland sounds. For years I've been saying that the Roland sounds can fool a lot people, which they can, but I realized that the point isn't to fool anyone - it's to have the best sounds possible. I finally decided to purchase EZDrummer for myself so I could learn more about the programming, and I'm continually impressed with the realism of the sounds. I have to admit that I was hesitant to buy the software because I didn't have time to join another forum, which seems to be required every time you get some new gear.

    If you do a lot of long-distance collaborations, which I do, the other great thing about using EZDrummer is how much EZier it is to exchange files. When I was sending Peter audio tracks from the TD-20, I would have to upload 100 mb of files, if not more, and if there were any changes I'd have to do it all over again. With EZDrummer all I have to do is email a 20k MIDI file, and let him know what sounds I used, and he can hear exactly what I was hearing.

    Having said all of this, here's a not-quite-final mix of a song from Peter's upcoming CD, using EZDrummer sounds. For anyone considering EZDrummer, this might convince you. Or, might make you think that the sounds aren't any big deal. Personally, when listening to this track through good speakers, I couldn't be happier with the drum sound.
    www.rentadrummer.com/HitTown.mp3

    Both Peter and I have recently installed Superior 2, so for anyone who's interested there will be more samples to come. We've recorded about two thirds of the songs that will be on the CD, and they will be a mix of S2 and EZDrummer sounds. Some of the songs sound so good with EZDrummer that we are hesitant to replace the sounds, but any of the songs that haven't been mixed and/or recorded yet will probably include S2.
    Ron

  • #2
    Yep, I agree. The Roland sounds are POOP compared to EZD and Superior. I am never going to look back. I am still in the transition phase waiting for the software.

    Comment


    • #3
      So Rentadrummer you are saying that armed with a Td20 and maybe a Vexpression pack? the sounds were of low quality compared to EZD?

      So do u consider the Roland sounds to be of lower quality as a studio tool or maybe as a gigging instrument or maybe also naff jamming in the bedroom?

      At the moment i have superb quality cans on with a TD12 on a Steve Gadd Vex patch and i'm loving the tremendous sounds

      I will however try EZD just to see what the fuss is i'm interested and curious too.

      So have you sold your TD20 now? don't play it anymore? accepting low offers?

      Boys - get the tar and feathers, this dudes leaving Roland Town ha ha
      WEBSITE - http://www.diamondelectronicdrums.com/
      YOUTUBE CHANNEL - http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbVB...?feature=guide
      FACEBOOK me at ... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...83235555050736
      :eek: ...
      Showcase 1 - http://vdrums.com/forum/album.php?albumid=253
      Showcase 2 - http://vdrums.com/forum/album.php?albumid=354

      Comment


      • #4
        To me (and many others) EZD (and the other folks like BFD) blow Roland out of the water on *many* of their comparable samples. HH, snare, crash, kick and toms are all much better on EZD (I also have the DFHS add-on) than on the Roland. I will say that Roland does have some excellent ride samples, even on my venerable exp TD10 that sound as good as EZD. As for chinas and splashes, they're about the same, I don't hear a significant improvement in EZD the way I do with crashes. There, it's night and day.

        All the "other" sounds in a typical Roland kit, if sufficiently tweaked, can be great. I love the fact I can tune timpanis and the gongs and such sound pretty good.

        But yeah, if I want good crashes and such for a studio recording, I'm never going back to using Roland as anything except a controller.

        www.myspace.com/rubberuniverse
        TD-12, DTX502, SD1000, EZDrummer, Diamond Drum 12" snare, S1000 toms/cymbals/kick, PCY10/100/135/155, CY-5/14, Hart Ride, Hart Acupad 8" kick, Epedal Pro II, Concept 1 pads/cymbals, SD1000 & Roland V Sessions racks, PD-7, Kit Toy 10" splash, DMPad ride, SamplePad, PerformancePad Pro

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by daveybabes View Post
          So Rentadrummer you are saying that armed with a Td20 and maybe a Vexpression pack? the sounds were of low quality compared to EZD?

          So do u consider the Roland sounds to be of lower quality as a studio tool or maybe as a gigging instrument or maybe also naff jamming in the bedroom?

          At the moment i have superb quality cans on with a TD12 on a Steve Gadd Vex patch and i'm loving the tremendous sounds

          I will however try EZD just to see what the fuss is i'm interested and curious too.

          So have you sold your TD20 now? don't play it anymore? accepting low offers?

          Boys - get the tar and feathers, this dudes leaving Roland Town ha ha
          I'm saying that in my opinion, when it comes to recording, the Roland sounds, with or without the Vexpressions packs, don't sound as good as EZDrummer or Superior 2. When I'm playing drums in my studio, occasionally I'll monitor the Roland sounds while recording, and then convert the track to EZDrummer, but I'm doing less and less of that. For playing live, EZDrummer and Superior 2 would be more difficult to work with, and that's where the Roland sounds might be a benefit.

          I still use my TD-20 and vdrums to trigger the sounds of EZDrummer and S2, so, no, it's not for sale, but nice try.
          Ron

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by grog View Post
            To me (and many others) EZD (and the other folks like BFD) blow Roland out of the water on *many* of their comparable samples. HH, snare, crash, kick and toms are all much better on EZD (I also have the DFHS add-on) than on the Roland. I will say that Roland does have some excellent ride samples, even on my venerable exp TD10 that sound as good as EZD. As for chinas and splashes, they're about the same, I don't hear a significant improvement in EZD the way I do with crashes. There, it's night and day.

            All the "other" sounds in a typical Roland kit, if sufficiently tweaked, can be great. I love the fact I can tune timpanis and the gongs and such sound pretty good.

            But yeah, if I want good crashes and such for a studio recording, I'm never going back to using Roland as anything except a controller.

            www.myspace.com/rubberuniverse
            The crashes and the toms are the first things that sold me on EZD. The sustain on the crashes is amazing, and the toms have the sound I always felt was missing from the TD-20. The Nashville expansion offers a really good snare drum, ride and hi hat sound, so between PopRock and Nashville, I've got the sounds I need covered. One thing I've learned over the past few months is that the velocities that are used are very important, and certain sounds work better for me in a particular velocity range.
            Ron

            Comment


            • #7
              I have the TD20 and several vex packs. The sounds are good in headphones and headphones only. Run it through an audio system and it sounds like a drum machine. Just listen to the camcorder sound that Pim put on youtube (first video). Those sounds blow the TD20 out of the water even through a crummy cam audio pickup.

              PS - Nothing personal meant toward your camcorder Pim

              Comment


              • #8
                Just wait until your friend realizes that EZDrummer will let him piece together an entire drum track without the need for A) a drummer or B) any drumming talent...

                But from your description he doesn't sound like he'd turn away from the human element. I think the song and the drumming sounds great, keep up the good work.

                I know that midi can be difficult to wrap ones head around, but you've explained one of the major benefits in a way anyone can understand. For collaboration sharing especially, file size and midi sound manipulation are huge assets over traditional sound track recording.
                Jack

                Sabre's Album

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by rentadrummer View Post
                  The crashes and the toms are the first things that sold me on EZD.
                  Yup Yup to that.
                  DFH can have have you in cymbal heaven.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Last edited by daveybabes; 07-17-08, 02:05 PM.
                    WEBSITE - http://www.diamondelectronicdrums.com/
                    YOUTUBE CHANNEL - http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbVB...?feature=guide
                    FACEBOOK me at ... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...83235555050736
                    :eek: ...
                    Showcase 1 - http://vdrums.com/forum/album.php?albumid=253
                    Showcase 2 - http://vdrums.com/forum/album.php?albumid=354

                    Comment


                    • #11


                      Sabre raises a great point. EZD has a vast supply of ready-made drum tracks all of which can be modified for tempo. They are far better than what I can do.

                      And yes, the crashes (and the sustain) are fantastic. I'd switch over to EZD for live play if it weren't for the fact I don't currently have a portable enough pooter setup (that's also reliable). I already haul enough crap around, the last thing I need is a pooter onstage.
                      TD-12, DTX502, SD1000, EZDrummer, Diamond Drum 12" snare, S1000 toms/cymbals/kick, PCY10/100/135/155, CY-5/14, Hart Ride, Hart Acupad 8" kick, Epedal Pro II, Concept 1 pads/cymbals, SD1000 & Roland V Sessions racks, PD-7, Kit Toy 10" splash, DMPad ride, SamplePad, PerformancePad Pro

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sabre View Post
                        Just wait until your friend realizes that EZDrummer will let him piece together an entire drum track without the need for A) a drummer or B) any drumming talent...

                        But from your description he doesn't sound like he'd turn away from the human element. I think the song and the drumming sounds great, keep up the good work.

                        I know that midi can be difficult to wrap ones head around, but you've explained one of the major benefits in a way anyone can understand. For collaboration sharing especially, file size and midi sound manipulation are huge assets over traditional sound track recording.
                        Thanks for listening and glad you enjoyed the song.

                        This started because Peter had the equipment, but didn't approach the programming the same way I would play, or program, the part as a drummer. Having the tools is only the start. Knowing what to do with them makes all the difference.
                        Ron

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rentadrummer View Post
                          This started because Peter had the equipment, but didn't approach the programming the same way I would play, or program, the part as a drummer. Having the tools is only the start. Knowing what to do with them makes all the difference.
                          I couldn't agree more.
                          Jack

                          Sabre's Album

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I think the TD12 and the TD20 is still money well spent. It is still the best method of getting the signals from the pad to the PC as a trigger to midi interface. You wont get the hi-hat articulations without a TD12 or TD20. With Superior or EZD, the TD12 and TD20 setup is the best of the best.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by csnow View Post
                              I think the TD12 and the TD20 is still money well spent. It is still the best method of getting the signals from the pad to the PC as a trigger to midi interface. You wont get the hi-hat articulations without a TD12 or TD20. With Superior or EZD, the TD12 and TD20 setup is the best of the best.


                              *Image search inspired by Grog*

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X