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Cymbal chokes with Roland V-drum and SSD5.5

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  • Cymbal chokes with Roland V-drum and SSD5.5

    Hi everyone.
    I've just started to use my Roland TD-4 with Steven Slate Drums 5.5 (through Cakewalk by BandLab).
    Cymbal chokes are not working in SSD5.5. If I play just with the original sounds of Roland TD module, chokes work perfect, but when I use the Roland to send MIDI to my computer, SSD5.5 don't do the chokes.
    As far as I know, for cymbal chokes, Roland sends aftertouch key data (not "normal" MIDI notes). I can see this aftertouch key data in Cakewalk's MIDI events list ("KeyAft"), so the data is correctly sent by the Roland and correctly received by Cakewalk.
    I've sent a few emails to an SSD technical support specialist, including a MIDI file I recorded playing cymbal chokes, and he says he can hear the chokes in his SSD.
    I also have been in contact with Cakewalk technical support, but they just recommend to visit forums and to check my Cakewalk Preferences. Of course, "aftertouch key" and "aftertouch channel" are selected in my Cakewalk Preferences from the very first moment.
    So, I don't know what else to do.
    Can anybody tell me if it's possible to hear cymbal chokes in SSD5.5 with a Roland V-drum? (And how?)
    Thank you.

  • #2
    Originally posted by tupatupa View Post
    Can anybody tell me if it's possible to hear cymbal chokes in SSD5.5 with a Roland V-drum? (And how?)
    Thank you.
    It does work. Maybe you've got any track midi filters active?

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    • #3
      Hi Nick74.
      I'm not using any filter.
      I just open a new project in Cakewalk, create a new instrument track, insert SSD5.5 plugin with Roland TD-30 mapping, and play my V-drums. And when I choke a cymbal the sound doesn't stop.

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      • #4
        I’ve just opened it up in Cubase and can see no specific configuration in ssd5.5 but it works. Can you look at the controller information in cakewalk ? Is there something that is blocking it hitting ssd5.5? Can you draw in the controller information and does that work?
        Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tupatupa View Post
          Hi Nick74.
          I'm not using any filter.
          I just open a new project in Cakewalk, create a new instrument track, insert SSD5.5 plugin with Roland TD-30 mapping, and play my V-drums. And when I choke a cymbal the sound doesn't stop.
          It should work if PolyAftertouch is activated in Cakewalk.
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          • #6
            Thanks to all of you for your help.

            I'll try to answer your questions:

            -Aftertouch is activated in my Cakewalk. Here's a screenshot of Preferences.

            Preferences.jpg

            -I can look at the controller information in the Piano Roll View. With my Roland TD-4, the hi-hat foot pedal sends this kind of data, and it works. I can also draw there and also works. But chokes with Roland TD-4 are not controller data, are key aftertouch data, which seems to be different to controller data.
            In the next screenshot you can see the Event List of a MIDI file I recorded hitting 4 cymbals (hi-hat, left crash, right crash and ride, in this order). I choked the 4 cymbals when recording, and you can also see all the KeyAft events in the list. But these chokes are not working in SSD5.5 Free.

            Event List.jpg

            You can also see the notes and the aftertouch data in the arrange view (KeyAft are the vertical orange lines)

            Arrange.jpg

            Regards.

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            • #7
              Ok, is CW up-to-date?
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              • #8
                Ok, is CW up-to-date?
                Yes. Sure. Last version available.

                There's something strange when I look at the Event List. You can see the notes for the cymbals are D2, G4, E4 and B4. But in SSD5.5 Mapping view the notes are D0, G2, E2 and B2. I mean, when I play that MIDI file, I can see in the Mapping view in SSD5.5 that the notes played are 2 numbers low than the notes in the MIDI file. Maybe it doesn't mean nothing, because the sounds are right. But maybe "something" understands that different number in the notes, but not in the aftertouch key events.

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                • #9
                  Just refer to note numbers exclusively. I recommend to do a clean reinstallation of Cakewalk. I remenber a client with the same CW issue and reinstalling after cleaning registry helped.
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                  • #10
                    Hello again.

                    Suddenly today chokes are working fine. Totally unexpected....
                    I did a lot of things on my computer in the last two weeks, so I have no idea which of these things has been the solution to the chokes problem.

                    Anyway, many thanks to all of you for your answers.

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