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  • #16
    I must agree with Alan. We are (Myself included) going down the old track of which is best which can never be resolved and just gets us all worked up :-) It really is down to personal taste. I've seen someone post who says they can't imagine anything sounding better than a TD17 so a very wide range of opinions. The Latency diversion should probably have continued on another thread.

    Back to the drum-tec video. I just wish they would do a slow playing of each component for each sound set so you get a chance to really listen to the sound. The drumming is very impressive and sounds great but just doesn't help that much. They make some great things though. I have bought a few things of them including a TDW20 a few years ago when they were nowhere to be found.
    Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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    • #17
      After waiting so long for its release, I am disappointed in SSD5. I was really really hoping Slate was going to improve the cymbals and add some rimshot sounds for the toms. For me, the cymbals are SSD5ís and the Mimicís biggest weakness. No stick tip articulations for the crashes and all the rides have the same edge crash sounds. I really donít understand Slates philosophy behind excluding these things from a proline module or VST. These articulations are what add realism to the overall playing experience. For me SD3 is the clear winner.
      ATV aDrums, TD-50, aD5, Superior Drummer 3.0, Roland SPD-SX, Tama & DW Hardware.

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      • #18
        Off topic posts removed for those upset over others not realizing what forum this topic was in, bringing up alternative setups, and the vague OP that caused it all. (topic title updated)
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          • #20
            I'm trying to figure out how to trigger SSD5 with my TD-50 right now. I can use some help. I downloaded the driver and I opened up SSD5 in Reaper but my Mac Air doesn't recognize that the module is plugged into it. I went to the module and I think I selected to proper midi settings. I'm not sure. Are there any step by step instructions for this online? I can't find anything on YouTube and the Roland pdf doesn't seem to help.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by percussivewoman View Post
              I'm trying to figure out how to trigger SSD5 with my TD-50 right now. I can use some help. I downloaded the driver and I opened up SSD5 in Reaper but my Mac Air doesn't recognize that the module is plugged into it. I went to the module and I think I selected to proper midi settings. I'm not sure. Are there any step by step instructions for this online? I can't find anything on YouTube and the Roland pdf doesn't seem to help.
              Call the Roland Product Support department at (323) 890-3740. Product Support is open Monday through Friday, 8:30am to 5:00pm Pacific Time. Press 0 and tell the operator you need specific help with the Roland TD-50. When you get the TD-50 specialist, and they do have them there, tell them the specific issue is with the TD-50 driver not showing up on your MAC Air and run through what you've done so far: downloaded the driver, installed it, connected a reliable USB cable etc. I have no experience with a MAC Air but if for any reason it is attempting to make a wireless USB connection that could be the problem.

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              • #22
                Great video from Drum-tec as always.... personally Iím a toontrack fan as many others here have stated as well, but itís nice to see another example of what can be done with a quality edrum set, a quality module, and a nice sounding VST engine.
                Roland TD-30 Module | Superior Drummer 3 | Tama Superstar Hyper-Drive Maple A2E w/ R-Drums RTS II & RTB Triggers | ATV aD Cymbals | Tama HW & Pedals

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                • #23
                  Since this post was revived, I thought I'd share a video using SSD5 on a rock song from a couple of months ago. I have my buffer setting to 64 samples for this (like I normally do when triggering) and it seems to work really well for me. Is it the perfectly immediate response of an acoustic kit or module monitoring? No. But it's pretty dang close.

                  Gear: TD-12 module, CY-14C crash, Yamaha PCY-135 crash, CY-12R/C crash, CY-15R/C ride, CY-12C & FD-7 hi-hat setup, MDS-12 rack, PD-125 snare, PD-85 rack toms, PD-105 floor tom, Presonus FP10, MacBook Pro 13", Superior Drummer 2.3, Logic 9 Studio, JH Audio JH-5 Pro IEM, Sennheiser HD-280 Pro cans, Gretsch Renown maple acoustic kit (Zildjian cymbals, Remo heads, Gibraltar/DW hardware)

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                  • #24
                    I have to admit, I do like some of the kick samples in SSD5, but they definitely shine when considering the rest of the kit sounds a little hallow. The toms just donít do it for me, the snares mostly sound choppy and processed, and the cymbals are pretty drab as well in my opinion. I really wanted to love SSD5 when I bought it, but I just canít get into it...

                    As far as the latency discussion goes.... I invested in a top tier HW rig to minimize latency and while it did help in my case, it certainly wasnít a cheap nor did it remove all measurable latency. My playback is just good enough for my ears and allows me to keep tempo in sync, but itís been a tough learning curve and I absolutely would have done certain things differently from the start. I still support my final outcome and would absolutely recommend any of the products that I settled with in the end result, but this is absolutely 50% physics and 50% feel.

                    I agree that VSTiís are built for production first and live playback second, BUT I also agree that some are simply built to handle live playback better than others. Iíve personally bought several VST engines and from my experience toontrack does a better job setting up artists who want to trigger their libraries with edrums. Not only that, but because they seem to consider live percussionists more than others theyíve built in certain articulations and trigger settings that are only available in their products. The fact is that they simply do a better job in this regard.

                    As as far as sound quality - this is entirely subjective and while yes I do think personally that toontrack has better sample libraries than other vendors, I do agree that there are some amazing libraries out there beyond their offerings. GGD for example has what I feel is an incredible sounding sample library, but Iím less than thrilled by their sample engine and triggering options for live playback... So SD3 wins for me. Again, this all about personal tastes and preference.

                    In the end, weíre all artists looking for our own pallets to express ourselves and weíve all arrived at somewhat varied solutions to get us there. And most of us are still in process of fine tuning those pallets so who really knows where and what the ďbestĒ solutions are? To each their own... In the meantime, happy drumming folks.
                    Roland TD-30 Module | Superior Drummer 3 | Tama Superstar Hyper-Drive Maple A2E w/ R-Drums RTS II & RTB Triggers | ATV aD Cymbals | Tama HW & Pedals

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