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    Hi,

    yesterday I tried to Play my TD11 with Steven Slate Drums 5 free, trying out if a VST is something for me.

    Latency is audible and very disturbing can't Play that way.

    I use ASIO4ALL, Tracktion, a Windows 10 Laptop (Core i7 with 8GB RAM).

    Any Advice where I might find a Solution for that Problem? Most Common Issues and fixed for that?

    Also, it is supposed to be Possible to loop the Audio from the Laptop back to the Module via the USB Cable: that does not work either. Any advice on where to search?

    Thanks!
    Roland TD11 Module, Pearl Forum, Sonor Snare, Drumtec Design Mesh, 2Box and Roland Triggers, Roland Cym., GoEDrum HiHat Ctl with Yamaha PCY135. Triggering AD2 and SSD5.

  • #2
    Nothing?
    Roland TD11 Module, Pearl Forum, Sonor Snare, Drumtec Design Mesh, 2Box and Roland Triggers, Roland Cym., GoEDrum HiHat Ctl with Yamaha PCY135. Triggering AD2 and SSD5.

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    • #3
      Patience. Itís a weekend and we are all not on the website all the time. A lot of posts come later in the day.

      So so there is no guarantee with ASIO4ALL and you may not get the latency down. I would always go for an external audio interface. I donít know if the td11 does audio over usb. Try looking at the manual. If it does than you can do as you mention although latency on the Roland modules using usb is not great. If you get an audio interface you can listen to the output of that for the music you want to play along to and the vst.
      Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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      • #4
        If you have you reached your optimism settings in ASIO4ALL and can't lower your buffer size anymore without artefacts, you should consider buying an audio interface like the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4.
        ♦ Diamond Drums 4pc in Di-Noc carbon ♦ MegaDRUM + Roland UA-1010 / cymbals / KT-10 (x2) ♦ Tama / Gibraltar hardware ♦ JBL LSR3 Series 2.1 Monitoring
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        • #5
          Originally posted by holzi2000 View Post
          Hi,

          yesterday I tried to Play my TD11 with Steven Slate Drums 5 free, trying out if a VST is something for me.

          Latency is audible and very disturbing can't Play that way.

          I use ASIO4ALL, Tracktion, a Windows 10 Laptop (Core i7 with 8GB RAM).

          Any Advice where I might find a Solution for that Problem? Most Common Issues and fixed for that?

          Also, it is supposed to be Possible to loop the Audio from the Laptop back to the Module via the USB Cable: that does not work either. Any advice on where to search?

          Thanks!
          You have two replies and have not responded back quickly yourself?
          Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mkok View Post

            You have two replies and have not responded back quickly yourself?
            Thanks for your (first) response, which was helpful. I really appreciate you still answered my question and hope my impatience did not annoy you to much.

            Just to clarify, my post was 11 days old and far down the list of this forum when I bumped it up with the hope that some of the pros here can help me with me newb question, because it might have been overlooked. It worked. Must be a long weekend where you live.
            Roland TD11 Module, Pearl Forum, Sonor Snare, Drumtec Design Mesh, 2Box and Roland Triggers, Roland Cym., GoEDrum HiHat Ctl with Yamaha PCY135. Triggering AD2 and SSD5.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by holzi2000 View Post

              Thanks for your (first) response, which was helpful. I really appreciate you still answered my question and hope my impatience did not annoy you to much.

              Just to clarify, my post was 11 days old and far down the list of this forum when I bumped it up with the hope that some of the pros here can help me with me newb question, because it might have been overlooked. It worked. Must be a long weekend where you live.
              Sorry about that. I just looked at the times not the date so my bad. Quite Unusual to not get a reply. We must have all slipped into a time warp!
              Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kabonfaiba View Post
                If you have you reached your optimism settings in ASIO4ALL and can't lower your buffer size anymore without artefacts, you should consider buying an audio interface like the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4.
                That means I connect the Audio Interface with a Midi Cable to the TD11, and USB to my Laptop? I am having a hard time understanding why adding something in between brings Latancy down, but if thats the case I am all for it.

                Will the Behringer U-Phoria UMC204HD work as well?

                Thanks!
                Roland TD11 Module, Pearl Forum, Sonor Snare, Drumtec Design Mesh, 2Box and Roland Triggers, Roland Cym., GoEDrum HiHat Ctl with Yamaha PCY135. Triggering AD2 and SSD5.

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                • #9
                  Ok so Iíve checked and the td11 can run audio as well as midi over the usb. Are you using the PCs internal sound card or the td11 audio interface? The internal one still has to connect through and are usually not built with latency in mind.

                  first thing I suggest is try the td11 usb interface. Iíf your on windows 10 there should be an icon in control panel for it where you can lower the buffers. Also make sure you select your module in SSD5.

                  even if you do get an external audio interface you can still run midi over your usb connection. That is what I do. I have no idea what the beringer is like. Try searching for low latency audio interfaces as that is what matters. Others may also be able to help. Iím using a zoom livetrack l20 but this is overkill for you.
                  Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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                  • #10
                    If the Behringer is what your budget allows, that should be better than using your internal sound chip. Reviews for particular Behringer product seems to be okay too.

                    Yes you can use a MIDI cable to the interface if you prefer, or you can use USB into your PC and USB to the interface too, it makes no difference.

                    Think of it; not as adding something in between, but routing around your current audio interface - which is a single chip attached to your mainboard. USB is more than adequate to handle this task in real time.
                    ♦ Diamond Drums 4pc in Di-Noc carbon ♦ MegaDRUM + Roland UA-1010 / cymbals / KT-10 (x2) ♦ Tama / Gibraltar hardware ♦ JBL LSR3 Series 2.1 Monitoring
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                    • #11
                      buy one of the audio interfaces here https://www.gearslutz.com/board/show...postcount=2186

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                      • #12
                        After installing the right drivers it works like a charme.

                        Except one thing that I cannot understand: The Bass Drum sounds worse, less Punchy, when I use the Midi Triggers then when I try it in the programm. is that way for the SSD5 Free Bass Drum and even more so for the Bass Drums in Perfect Drums. Tried increasing the buffer to a laughable big value: no difference. tweaked Trigger Settings in the Module, Tried to trigger it from a Tom: still less punchy.
                        Any Ideas?
                        Roland TD11 Module, Pearl Forum, Sonor Snare, Drumtec Design Mesh, 2Box and Roland Triggers, Roland Cym., GoEDrum HiHat Ctl with Yamaha PCY135. Triggering AD2 and SSD5.

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                        • #13
                          worked now, it was the velocity on the Midi Notes (cranked Pad Sensitivity way up and suddenly it worked).
                          Roland TD11 Module, Pearl Forum, Sonor Snare, Drumtec Design Mesh, 2Box and Roland Triggers, Roland Cym., GoEDrum HiHat Ctl with Yamaha PCY135. Triggering AD2 and SSD5.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kabonfaiba View Post

                            Think of it; not as adding something in between, but routing around your current audio interface - which is a single chip attached to your mainboard. USB is more than adequate to handle this task in real time.
                            My current Audio Interface is the TD11. Which is not the best in the world, but even spending only 100 bucks is to much of it only lowers latency by 1 ms.
                            I can run it with a 2,2ms Buffer Right now. If an Audio interface only increases that, then I don`t see a Point. Am I missing something?
                            Roland TD11 Module, Pearl Forum, Sonor Snare, Drumtec Design Mesh, 2Box and Roland Triggers, Roland Cym., GoEDrum HiHat Ctl with Yamaha PCY135. Triggering AD2 and SSD5.

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                            • #15
                              Setting your buffer size to achieve 2.2ms is more like a target. The true round-trip-latency figure is usually (up to x5) much higher, and the driver setting never reports it correctly.

                              I have attached a little latency checking program which I find gives a fairly accurate results, although it's made for testing audio interfaces, not drum modules.

                              If you are happy with the latency you get from the TD11 using VSTs with Roland's ASIO driver, then sure, there's no need for you to get an audio interface.

                              I'll be surprised if you don't have pops and clicks running the lowest buffer sizes, but I could be wrong.

                              Interested to know your results.

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                              Last edited by Kabonfaiba; 01-04-19, 05:44 PM.
                              ♦ Diamond Drums 4pc in Di-Noc carbon ♦ MegaDRUM + Roland UA-1010 / cymbals / KT-10 (x2) ♦ Tama / Gibraltar hardware ♦ JBL LSR3 Series 2.1 Monitoring
                              Community Drum Module Document
                              PA Specifications (wip)

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