Addictive Drums 2, HH pedal trouble

[perceval]

Seems I can't get reliable triggering with AD2.
AD1 was always a bit sketchy, but workable.

I got other VSTs that work well, but AD2 never registers the first time I open the HH. I have to open a second time to get an opened sound.

Since XLN has taken down their forum, I figured I had to try here to see if anyone else is having this problem.

[perceval]

Well, I really want to like AD (1 or especially 2) but this issue is nagging me way too much. Too bad, 'cos I like some of those HH sounds in there.

I spent the afternoon trying to change the way my module sends info to the VST, or tweaking within AD2 .... but nothing makes it play well.
I've tried different mappings (they don't have one for the DTX700), and also tried mapping everything by hand...

I figure that the problem lies with AD and my DTX700.
SD2 HH plays fine, without any glitch, so does Kontakt with the Drumic'a library

There is a preset map for pretty much all the Roland models, Alesis and Yamaha's DTX500, 502, 900 and the older models as well... except for the DTX700.

I'm starting to think that they never figured out the DTX700 and so, never added this module to their set of presets.

Right now, my solution is to open AD (Fairfax Neutral) in Logic, but without a HH, and SD2 (Music City) with a HH only. It's a temporary solution just to play AD's sounds because I notice the discrepancy of sounds between the two.

Really trying to like AD2, but I just can't.... HH is just such an intricate part of the whole thing...

[angr77]

Hi. XLN changed some stuff regarding the hi hat in version 2.02. Have you updated? The forum has now moved to their Facebook page...Ask a question and you will the answer in minutes! If you had it working in AD1... Then you could just drag and drop your old preset file into AD2...and get the same configuration in AD2. I am using AD2 with MegaDRUM and with TD-6...and I have no bigger issues with the hi hat. Best Regards Angr77

[EssKayKay]

The forum has now moved to their Facebook page...

This will sound bizarre and extremely arcane, but if I don't have a Facebook account (and don't want one) how do I log questions/concerns etc.?

Resident Luddite

[angr77]

I am afraid that we are going to see more support forums moving to FB and other social media channels, it seems to be a trend out there. Good or bad...I have no idea...but things are changing. Angr77

[EssKayKay]

Yeah ANGR I hear you. I guess it's time I move to the 21st century....

[perceval]

Hi. XLN changed some stuff regarding the hi hat in version 2.02. Have you updated? The forum has now moved to their Facebook page...Ask a question and you will the answer in minutes! If you had it working in AD1... Then you could just drag and drop your old preset file into AD2...and get the same configuration in AD2. I am using AD2 with MegaDRUM and with TD-6...and I have no bigger issues with the hi hat. Best Regards Angr77

I never had the HH pedal working nicely in AD1. It was better than what I can do with AD2, but it was always troublesome and in the end, drove me away from AD1.

I'll see about the update and Facebook.

[angr77]

I wonder how they have done it. I did study the Yamaha settings...they all looks the same: 500, 502 and 900 in terms of settings. There is two ways to do it. 1. The Yamaha module sends all kind of hi hat strokes (closed to open /Edge/bow/splash) and cc:04 values is more or less ignored. 2. The nice way to do it is to let AD2 determine from the CC:04 value + bow+edge which stroke it should use. I think this is the way that the Yamaha settings have been based on. If you have problems to get the hi hat to open first - try the small arrow button in the AD2 Map Window and use the open shorten...In version 2.02 the pedal monitor is back and you should see the pedal move in AD2...if everything is right.

Best Regards

ANGR77

[perceval]

Yes, the Yamaha modules can output either individual notes or cc values for the HH.
I was going to change from cc to mapping all the notes in the map window, but I read on the FaceBook page that they had trouble with HH prior to 2.0.2.

I'll upgrade as soon as I can and give it a try. So busy with end of semester and start of summer activities... I don't know when I'll be able to hop on my kit to test!

Thanks for the heads up and info.

[Gastric]

I had my drummer over today playing on my Roland TD-6 kit into Addictive Drums 2.0.4. Everything was working pretty well EXCEPT the hihats. He was struggling to get them to open reliably. After diving into the recorded MIDI I noticed the pedal open (CC4=0 with the TD-6) needed to occur a few ms before or right at the same time the hihat was physically triggered. If the pedal open was received a few ms after the physical hihat trigger then the hats would sound closed still. I'm not sure if this is your issue or not. Here's a screenshot, the highlighted vertical bar in the bottom is the late pedal-open signal. If I drag it to line right up with the grid (and the physical hat trigger seen in the grid above) it triggers fine.

I need to find a solution to this myself. I really want to record the drums using the V-drums as opposed to my crappy drum mics, recording the crappy acoustic drums, in the crappy room we have. But if I cannot get a comfortable performance from the gear the drummer just gets too frustrated fighting it. Even he's in love with the drum VST sounds. Just need to hammer out the HH performance issues.

[ThePod]

Go to the map window and check the CC hi hat area. in the "map cc to stroketype"You can pull and adjust the lines to the desired position of your pedal.

[Gastric]

Go to the map window and check the CC hi hat area. in the "map cc to stroketype"You can pull and adjust the lines to the desired position of your pedal.

Tried it. That did not correct the issue. It does correct the complaint my drummer had that the hats were opening too far with too little pedal actuation. We got the general action feeling natural. He was just struggling to get them to open each and every time. For me it was due to the pedal-open coming a few ms too late.

[ThePod]

I have noticed a slight delay between the e-hats and a-hats. The a-hats do tend to open a fraction of a second earlier. I just adjusted my playing a little for the e-hats and have had no problems.

[Gastric]

From their Facebook page in regards to the pedal needing to be open BEFORE you hit the hats:

"XLN AudioUnfortunately there is no simple way around this, it is one of the limitations with E-drumming.. Most drummers we've worked with have sort of adapted their playing to this.. I hope you can get some good results in the end!"

[angr77]

Hmm...if looking on the raw midi signal from the TD-6...is this the case even here? The hi-hat is too slow...(or if using the internal hihat sounds in TD-6...is this an issue then?)

Angr77