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**Alan VEX** · 10-11-15, 06:34 PM

I'm very confused. You say you've already purchased something from us, but then are asking about purchasing more. Additionally, the issues you speak of all sound like technical pad issues, NOT expansion issues.

I would recommend you email me, and we'll figure out where your issue truly stands. I have a feeling this is more about pad settings, head tension, cone condition, and or monitoring conditions. Just because you use the same headphones at the computer and module, doesn't mean you will get an accurate rendition at the computer.

**Scorpius.milo** · 10-12-15, 03:21 PM

Thanks for the answer I send you an e-mail

**Alan VEX** · 10-12-15, 04:53 PM

From your email...

Originally posted by Scorpius.milo

My set is an old Roland V-session set ( Td-10X - Kd-120 Pd-100/120 , Cy-14 Cy-15 , and Vh-11 )
I upgrade one week ago with a TD-20X module.

Today I have false triggering on all my tom pads when I strike it near the edge it triggering rimshot sound ( I try to adjust Rimgain and Rimshot adjust but no issues ) I don't think it make an issues to head trigger.

I need to put off rim-triggering on my tom pads, my pads are old pd-100/120 convert in pd-105/125 ( spiderbasket , black cone , piezo , all parts come from Roland ) the only thing I've not do is recuting outside bearing edge. ( I need to do this but TD-10 not trigger rim on tom and it is not necessary when I convert my pads ).

I spend some time to adjust your VEXKit. ( Volume in Mixer not in fader )
I do a reset factory on my TD-20X module and reload Vexpression this one with VDrumlib ( http://www.vexpressionsltd.com/expressions.html ).

With volume tweaking some kits are really better to play ( for me ) , I use preset patterns too ( preview drumfill ... ) to adjust volume.
I need to do that because without change nothing on the module ( except VH-11 trigger bank ) First Kit Maple ’10 DW is very high in volume to compare to Exotic Kits ( tom are particularly sounded low volume ) same thing with 1941 Leedy and outdoor kit :1941 kit is low in volume ( snare ) to compare outdoor volume witch is very high.Maybe it's "normal" but I no listen that on website-demo.

I'm going to answer your issue question here on the forum. I think it could help others that may experience a similar issue. (this is EXTREMELY RARE by the way)

It sounds to me like you are dealing with old toms/pads on a new module - and possibly some customization - if I understand you correctly. There are several things here that need to be checked when doing so. Keep in mind, I cannot help on something you've customized completely. You're on your own there. (your "converted" pads)

First, if we're talking about Roland pads (as purchased), and you are loading factory defaults (resetting the module) on a 20X with older 10X generation pads, you have to make sure you change the pad setup to reflect the correct pads you are playing with the new module. The instructions for doing this are in your Roland manual. Once this has been done, then attempt to play your "default kits" to see if there is an improvement.

If the pads are functioning properly, or to your desired result, skip to the next paragraph. If they are simply triggering other inputs (cross-talk), then adjust your sensitivity and cross-talk settings to cancel out the issue. (start writing down a log of your changes to each pad - you will need it later) This issue can arise from mounting and flooring differences from player to player. (carpet vs hard flooring) If they are not functioning correct dynamically, then you have a physical pad issue. The issue can be head tension or age/wear of the cone. Adjust the head tension as described in your Roland manual for the older pads. If you continue to have an issue (still talking about default kits here), then you have physical trigger issues with the cone and or piezo. Contact Roland for a remedy. In most cases, the issue will be worn cones from playing pads without the proper tension.

If you have reset the module, changed the pad setup to reflect YOUR pad setup, and everything is functioning properly, save a backup of your module so you do not have to go through this again. Write down any tweaks you made to any pads regarding sensitivity and or cross-talk issues. (all changes you make)

You can now load a V Expressions expansion. Once you have loaded a VEX pack, you will need to change and set your pad settings as you did above. Once done, save a backup of the VEX pack with YOUR setup.

Now, we can move on to VDrumLib. Once you have done the above, you can take any of our expansions, and load the "setup data" with our kits in VDL, save it as a new file, and be able to load our kits and your setup data at once. Tutorials for this are on the VDL website.

The above should remedy your issues, or at least find out where you have a problem physically. Additionally, be sure to check cables for wear. Worn cables and or inputs can create false triggering. It's rare, and usually only symptomatic in hi-hats, but I have seen it happen to other pads as well. It usually happens when cables twist in the input a lot.

**Scorpius.milo** · 10-13-15, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by Alan VEX

From your email...

If you have reset the module, changed the pad setup to reflect YOUR pad setup, and everything is functioning properly, save a backup of your module so you do not have to go through this again. Write down any tweaks you made to any pads regarding sensitivity and or cross-talk issues. (all changes you make)

You can now load a V Expressions expansion. Once you have loaded a VEX pack, you will need to change and set your pad settings as you did above. Once done, save a backup of the VEX pack with YOUR setup.

Now, we can move on to VDrumLib. Once you have done the above, you can take any of our expansions, and load the "setup data" with our kits in VDL, save it as a new file, and be able to load our kits and your setup data at once. Tutorials for this are on the VDL website.

The above should remedy your issues, or at least find out where you have a problem physically. Additionally, be sure to check cables for wear. Worn cables and or inputs can create false triggering. It's rare, and usually only symptomatic in hi-hats, but I have seen it happen to other pads as well. It usually happens when cables twist in the input a lot.

You said when you load a VEX pack it reset the trigger bank configuration ?

I don't think so, because I have a VH-11 setting in trigger bank and it is not reset by VH-12 Trigger Bank when I load VEXPack

You said :

1 Save my trigger bank
2 Load VEX Pack
3 Load my Trigger Bank
4 Try to play
5 If it good use VDrumlib to save Trigger with VEX pack

Is that ?

I not understand all , I use Vdrumlib for many years to load and save backup, kit , .... but how can load a VEX pack without VDrumlib ? Maybe you forgot to say " Load First with a Compact Flash Card ?

My TD620X is in 2.51 Software i need to upgrade it in 2.52 but a the moment I not have a CF Card I need to buy for the upgrade apparently it is not possible to upgrade TD-20X by midi bulk...

Can I try your "tips" only with VDrumlib ?

1 Save my Trigger Bank with Vdrumlib ( Bulkdump only Trigger bank )
2 Load your VEX Pack with Vdrumlib
3 Load my Trigger Bank
4 Play ?

Thanks to help me and sorry for my bad English

**Alan VEX** · 10-13-15, 08:27 AM

My instructions did not use VDL until the end. I always write instructions for the cards.

Do the first part (get your pads right with the default kits and save), save your setup data with a backup. Then, in VDL, copy your setup data to the right from your backup, then our kits from an expansion to the right, save this new backup, and send it to the module.

**Scorpius.milo** · 10-13-15, 01:34 PM

I do what you said me, but no issues,some kits are loud or volume high and other no ... I use TD-20X Preset pattern 4 "Drum Fill" so it is not me or my pad playing it is Roland demo ....

Kit 10-11-12 for example

I put the pattern on and I move on around this three kits, maybe it's me but Kit10 is normal volume, 11 is little higher , and 12 is higher

Snare for one, Tom or Cymbal for the others

Maybe it's normal and finally there is no problem in my pad or my settings

Some kits are more presence or stronger like other, today I'm less surprise , but when you switch kit one at one to trying you can listen some kit a very stronger like other

I thing it is an "all in one" pack with kit for live , studio , or practice ...

I wish you understand me or maybe Electronic Drums are not for me

I play long time with VST Drum Sounds and finally come back to Roland sounds is maybe difficult for me

**Alan VEX** · 10-13-15, 02:35 PM

I'll have Chris check the volume consistency across these kits and get back to you. (mainly because it is very hard to understand most of what you are saying beyond the three kit volumes)

**Alan VEX** · 10-13-15, 10:38 PM

Chris is checking into this, but it will be about a week before he gets to it. We'll let you know what we find, and get you any update we feel may be needed. At this point, we do not expect there to be such a need, but we will follow through on this regardless.

**Scorpius.milo** · 10-21-15, 03:23 PM

Hi,

Any news ?

Thanks

**Alan VEX** · 10-21-15, 03:28 PM

I'll ask Chris to update the thread directly. I have not heard back from him as he travels a lot. As mentioned, he wasn't going to get to this till this week.

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