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  • Need help understanding default Roland MIDI setup...

    Hi Everyone---I just bought a second-hand TD-9 kit that I won't get for another 5-6 days. In the meantime, I thought I'd start setting up some VST kits for the TD-9 using Battery 3. I know it seems nobody here uses Battery 3 (a Native Instruments percussion sampler), and yes---everyone has recommended Addictive Drums, Superior Drummer, and BFD (which I hope to get eventually!). But for now, Battery 3 is what I have---and it has a VAST and excellent library of percussion sounds (drumkit, world/ethnic, and electronic).

    So assuming a Roland drumkit is like most other MIDI percussion controllers, you can assign each pad/trigger in the kit to any MIDI note you choose. Then, to create custom kits/setups, you simply assign sounds/multisamples to the MIDI note of whatever pad/trigger you want to play that sound.

    I downloaded the owners manual for the TD-9 module, and after a quick look through, it does not appear to specify what the **default** MIDI note assignments are for each pad/trigger. It does have a "Preset Percussion Set List" which lists MIDI note numbers for all the sounds in the module...but that doesn't tell me what the default pad/trigger setup is.

    My goal is to be able to pre-select sounds for a variety of kits from Battery 3 sounds, load those kit sounds into saved Battery 3 kits, and assign the correct MIDI note numbers so that when I connect the TD-9 to my laptop, I'm good to go! (I do realize I'll probably have to tweak velocity levels, curves, velocity switching between samples, etc.---but I'm just trying to get a head-start!)

    I may well be going about this the wrong way (or missing something obvious)---if so, please enlighten me! :-)

    Thanks,
    Scott

  • #2
    Ok---I found one issue to work around, which is that Roland modules output hi-hat sounds on a variety of MIDI notes...so if I just have 2 or 3 hat sounds in a Battery 3 kit, I might not hear some of the notes I play on the Roland hat. So need to find some kind of solution to that...

    Really seems like somewhere there ought to be a chart that shows default (factory) MIDI note assignments for Roland kits...(if not, I'll make one!)

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    • #3
      I've also noticed 2 other techniques people use---which might be easiest---but they depend on actually having your kit (which I don't yet!):
      a) just tap the pad/trigger while turning the dial until you hear the right sound
      b) use MIDI learn function

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      • #4
        Just discovered VDrumLib (a software V-drum librarian). Anyone use this. (I know, search is my friend---I'll use it!) Might be the easy answer to my original question above...

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        • #5
          Usually, the drum-sounds are mapped by the 'General MIDI' (GM) standard, in the following way:
          • (36) C1 - Bass Drum
          • (37) C#1 - Rimshot
          • (38) D1 - Snare Drum
          • (41) F1 - Low Tom 2
          • (42) F#1 - Closed Hi-hat
          • (43) G1 - Low Tom 1
          • (44) G#1 - Pedal Hi-hat
          • (45) A1 - Mid Tom 2
          • (46) A#1 - Open Hi-hat
          • (47) B1 - Mid Tom 1
          • (48) C2 - High Tom 2
          • (49) C#2 - Crash Cymbal 1
          • (50) D2 - High Tom 1
          • (51) D#2 - Ride Cymbal 1
          • (53) F2 - Ride Bell
          • (55) G2 - Splash Cymbal
          • (56) G#2 - Cowbell
          • (57) A2 - Crash Cymbal 2



          The introduction-section on p.16 in the TD-9 manual shows the sound-assignments for each trigger input.



          HTH
          Last edited by hairmetal-81; 02-09-14, 11:29 AM.


          "My best friends' name is J-SON. They used to call him 'Mr. Parse.' He has an 'Error'..!"

          http://www.vdrums.com/forum/core/cus...ar33631_4.jpeg

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          • #6
            Thanks HM---that helps! Page 16 in my PDF manual doesn't show sound assignments (in mine, pg.16 shows "Getting Ready to Play"---how to plug in the cables.) The closest thing I've found so far is this... TD-9_MIDI.png But this chart agrees with what you posted. :-) I'll keep digging through the PDF manual I have... Scott

            EDIT: Well, that chart I linked sort of agrees with what you posted, LOL. Not a big deal. I can set up some Battery 3 kits using the GM standard note assignments and see how they work when I get the kit. :-)
            Last edited by SWriverstone; 02-09-14, 11:44 AM.

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            • #7
              Found this chart online for a TD-11KV (I'm guessing the assignments are the same for the TD-9?)
              http://blackish.at/blog/2013/04/v-dr...battery-3.html

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              • #8
                Normally, a GM-assignment is not supposed to change. Most of the drum-modules follow the given standard.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_MIDI#Percussion



                HTH


                "My best friends' name is J-SON. They used to call him 'Mr. Parse.' He has an 'Error'..!"

                http://www.vdrums.com/forum/core/cus...ar33631_4.jpeg

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                • #9
                  TD-9 manuals are downloadable. MIDI notes are not likely to be a serious issue since both Battery and the Module are
                  likely configurable.

                  The things that vary by manufacturer are the hi-hat controller and cymbal choke:
                  Roland outputs the hi-hat pedal on CC4 (continuous controller 4). Some modules can let you choose another CC (1-4).
                  For Cmbal Choke Roland sends it out as aftertouch (polyphonic).

                  Here is a good article on the cymbal choke:
                  http://www.roland.com/support/articl...-20&id=1831820

                  So what matters is how Battery handles the HH and Choke functions.
                  Since Roland is more or less the market leader and has been for a while)
                  I am going to guess it can be made to work.
                  Last edited by kurth83; 02-10-14, 01:39 PM.
                  Mini-kit: TD-9 + Alesis Control Pad + Alesis Sample Pad + PDX-6 snare
                  Micro-kit: Handsonic HPD-20 + an old pair of hands.
                  Speakers: QSC-K10 "thumper", DBR-10 "little thumper"

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