What the heck roland?

[Ken Eaves]

I have tried everything to stop getting a double hit when I strike my rim-shot, and nothing works!!!!! Obviously I cannot use the cross-stick method so I must rely on a weak hit directly to the rim or hit a perfect rim-shot to get the click at full volume. Has anyone else had this problem and if so how the heck did you remedy it???
I am told that I need a snare stand designed to fit the 12in. PD-120 pad which should remedy a vibration commonly found when using a standard snare stand. Does that have any truth to it or do I just have a crappy pad? I tried to find a 12in. snare stand and no one seems to have one. The local guys here at Mid-West Drum & Percussion have never even heard of a snare stand that small. Why the heck did Roland make a pad to small for standard stands without offering the hardware to support it? I'm not bashing Roland, just sick of the double click. It doesn't go over very well in the recording studio. Now that I have vented...!!! I honestly love my V's. Anyone have any suggestions???

[puttenvr]

Snare stands: some companies (like Pearl) have special metal/rubber inserts which make the basket from the snare stand smaller.

With the TDW-1 installed (dunno if you play a td-10 or 8) you can have a rim click (for cross stick) as well as a rim shot. Experimenting with trigger settings is the only way to get a good sound and to separate the sounds.

[Boingo]

Originally posted by Ken Eaves:
I tried to find a 12in. snare stand and no one seems to have one. The local guys here at Mid-West Drum & Percussion have never even heard of a snare stand that small. Why the heck did Roland make a pad to small for standard stands without offering the hardware to support it?

Problems like this are typically related to trigger settings. As far as the pad, many snare stands can be adjusted to fit a 12" drum. If Roland thought they had an exclusive market for this product, I assure you they would offer one. Possibly the pad holder is causing you the grief? There are a few screws holding this on. You won't hurt a thing removing it. Perhaps this will give you a better fit. I don't see why you cant insert a few wedges if you still need to close the gap. Post your trigger settings if this doesn't solve it and it will help someone home in on your specific problem.

[BtnkBndt]

You also might check your rim sensitivity (probably set to high) and cross stick threshold settings. As Boingo said, remove the pad holder and also do not clamp in the area where the crossmember is attatched.

Many companies make snare stands that will hold the Roland pad. I use a Mapex, works just fine. As long as the cradle will crank up tight to the pad.

[cliff]

All Gibraltar snare stands will hold a PD 120or any other 12" snare. Yamaha has a new snare stand released to accomidate the new 12" pad for the DTXtreme and is sold separately.

[mcconaghy]

Pearl offers little clamp-on things for the arms of the snare basket which will hold anything down to a 10" snare. Midwest Percussion should know that, it's in their catalog...

[TomLandin]

I opted for a lighter weight stand with a 12" basket, specifically Tama's HS50PR. This is a great stand, and it fits nicely in my VDrum case. May need to special order as most places don't keep 12" baskets in stock.
http://www.tama.com/product/snaresta...t-stage-pr.jpg

[cproctor]

I had the same problem a week ago!! I was playing and it was kinda' embarassing!! Anyway, not knowing how to fix it, I took the drum off and switched it with one of my toms and I haven't had the problem since then! Weird, huh?!! ha ha. Whatever works!! I'm not saying that'll solve your problem, but what do you have to lose?

[rus]

Originally posted by cproctor:
I had the same problem a week ago!! I was playing and it was kinda' embarassing!! Anyway, not knowing how to fix it, I took the drum off and switched it with one of my toms and I haven't had the problem since then! Weird, huh?!! ha ha. Whatever works!! I'm not saying that'll solve your problem, but what do you have to lose?

That sounds like maybe you have a piezo loose in the drum... might wanna check that. Of course... What do I know?


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[This message has been edited by rus (edited January 23, 2001).]

[Ken Eaves]

Hey guy's, thanks for all the responses.
Boingo, I removed the mounting bracket as you suggested. It actually looks nicer off, but the stupid double click is still there. I have a TD-10 w/o TD-1. Sorry I didn't make that clear. Also, my snare stand is fairly tight against the Pd-120 which I failed to mention as well. I made sure everything was tight. I can't notice any visible movement/vibration between the pad and stand. Although, I'm sure it doesn't take much to send an extra shock that I can't see.
Here are my trigger settings for anyone who can help, suggest or sympathize .
TD-10 w/o TD-1
Sensitivity 4
Threshhold 1
Curve Linear
Scantime 2.0
Retrigcancel 5
Masktime 12
Crosstalk 30
Rem sens. 11
Head tension tight
The Kitchen Sink!!
I hope this is everything you need. May be too much!! Thanks in advance for anymore words of wisdom

[Boingo]

Originally posted by Ken Eaves:
Rem sens. 11

Holy Cross Stick Batman. Rim Sensitivity of 11 !!!!! I got mine set on 3 and that's plenty sensitive. Try lowering that and check back with us.

[Ken Eaves]

Boingo, I love your sense of humor . Thanks for the info. I'll give it the Bat sensitivity adjustment this evening and let you know.

[cproctor]

What'z you talking 'bout, Willis?

Originally posted by rus:

That sounds like maybe you have a piezo loose in the drum... might wanna check that. Of course... What do I know?

[rus]

Originally posted by cproctor:
What'z you talking 'bout, Willis?

Well... you know... a piezo... loose... in the drum...

It's been known to happen.

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[Ken Eaves]

Hey guy's, sorry it took so long to reply. I've been a little "under the weather" with the flu. I lowered my sensitivity and haven't had a double trigger yet . Thanks for the help Boingo, and of course everyone else!