Dying CY-6s

[cube]

Hello,

I just purchased 4 CY-6 as crash and ride pads. One of them lost its rimtrigger functionality yesterday, another today.

On the other hand, most of the time when I hit the cy´s on the edge (my favourite way to play), they choking the sound by themselve. And: I definitely can rely on the triggering in connection with the volume of the sound. Once I hit the thing it´s loud, next time there is nothing to hear from it, although I´m hitting the pads with nearly the same intensity. Trigger settings set like written in the cy-manual.

I use an TD-10, updatet with the TDW-1 and loosing one nerve after the other because of the unsatisfiing triggering.

Any ideas?

Best regards,

philip

[Stixx777]

My first thought is that you may not be hitting your pads correctly. You cannot drive the stick into the edge of the cymbal this is for both acoustic and v-cymbals.(this technique will cause acoustic cymbals to crack or go oblong at the mounting hole) I say that because if they are choking themselves when hitting the rim you maybe hitting them the wrong way. Driving the cymbal into your holder. Are your cymbals flat? They need to have some angle on them. I would also double check your cables making sure they are plugged in all the way, that they are stereo, and that there are OK. Check some of the settings and see if you are getting signal everytime you hit it.

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Ted H.
www.tocsinrocks.com

[cube]

Hi Ted,

thanx for your answer.

No, the pads aren´t flat, they have an angle, and I´m playing the v-drums for a couple of years now. So the cables are checked and several settings are done the last nights at all.

When I said ´on the edge´ in my missunderstandable and poor english, I meant playing the cymbals like ordinary metal cymbals. They are mounted the right way, they have their angle, they swing, are connected with the right cables, are set up with the recommended setting parameters, and I hit them on the edge - like every drummer hits its cymbals.

And so they di. One after the other.

And I guess: These pads aren´t made to be plaid professional.

For I use another CYs yet (12" and 14") without any problems at all - this is my little theory, and I just want to know if I just got a bad bunch of 4 pieces of a usualy problemless product.

Philip

[drumlogic]

so smooth and subtle. I am literally rolling on the floor!

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-Drumlogic, V-session, Visulite/roland cymbals, (2)Mackie srm-450's, bbe 482 sonic maximizer,

[cube]

Hello Chris,

thanx for your reply.

And where exactely can I find the thread? Keyword?

Regards,

Philip

[Boingo]

Originally posted by cube:
Hello Chris,

thanx for your reply.

And where exactely can I find the thread? Keyword?

Regards,

Philip

"vcymbal ride bell sound", page 2, which, at the moment, is the very next post in this forum.

[cube]

Hello,

thanx again for the infos, I know you wanna help.

But there is no problem with any settings, any bell, any mounting, any whatever.

The thing is: I play them like you play a crash cymbal. After a few days working fine with them, they start choking randomly. Then a few days later - the rim dies completely, and so it´s totally impossible to get the rim-functionality back. Then you can connect the cymbal to another TD-10, a TD-8 or 6, and there will no be a single rim-triggering at all.

Three of 4 of mine died like this, and I only wanna know: Is there another one out there with similar problems.

Best regards,

Philip

[digitsone]

Originally posted by cube:
Three of 4 of mine died like this, and I only wanna know: Is there another one out there with similar problems.
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has anyone else bought 4 roland pads and had three of them die? definitely not, i would say. few people get even one roland pad DOA based on the comments on this board.

you have to assume either you are your module are malfunctioning. have you tried contacting roland support?

[Boingo]

I have read these posts a couple of times cause something didn't seem right. I agree with everyone else, the likelyhood of this happening to 3 out of 4 pads (so far) is a real long shot. And I would certainly look at settings as the most likely source, however...

They are all the same model. If they came off the line in sequence and you actually have some made from the same lot in close sequence, it's very possible they got through QC. Consistancy in the failure mode is not that unlikely when this happens.

A key statement made, and I'm assuming you say what you mean and mean what you say, is "Then you can connect the cymbal to another TD-10, a TD-8 or 6, and there will no be a single rim-triggering at all."

I read this thread and it seems like one of those, no one is listening to what I'm saying kind of threads (which applies to both you and those responding).

Philip: did you actually test these in another brain? I mean, if you took them to a friend or to a store and verified the cymbal rim function to be dead, with other brain settings not tweaked by you, I think others might give this whole thing another think. Of course, the obvious answer would be return to your dealer or deal with Roland direct. The sooner the better.

[cube]

Hello Boingo (and all other v-drumers around here),

thanx for your statement.

What else than ´...like one of those, no one is listening to what I'm saying kind of threads...´should happen in your opinion, when I write what I write and just get tips about the settings? I´m not angry about these tips, not at all. I´m happy for any kind of help. I just try to find an answer to this strange cy-6-question.

I took the pads and tested them with my new TD-10 which comes with the TDW-1. I got this from my dealer and gave him back my old one without the expansion card, so I could check the cymbals with two different machines before I gave my old back.
After the rims weren´t available anymore one after the other, I went to my dealer. He checked the pads with his new (and updated) TD-10, then with a TD-8 and a TD-6 as well. We made severall tests with different trigger-settings. Once the pads chocked for a while then they didnt. But during all the tests, the rim-trigger never worked any more.

My dealer (who is a drummer) contacted his roland specialist who comes around periodicly, and so we´ll see what happens.

As I said - I purchased two CY-12RC and one CY-12H, and after two weeks of playing them every day, everything works fine with them. No false trigger, choking works perfect - no problems at all. The 12"-pads are built in the same way like the 14"- and 15"-pads with this massive white body, so I still guess that the CY6´s doesn´t have the same quality. And I also know, that Roland products normaly work without any unusual problems, because I´m purchasing Roland products for 15 Years now.

What do you think?

Best regards,

Philip

[Boingo]

"As I said - I purchased two CY-12RC and one CY-12H, and after two weeks of playing them every day, everything works fine with them. No false trigger, choking works perfect - no problems at all. The 12"-pads are built in the same way like the 14"- and 15"-pads with this massive white body, so I still guess that the CY6´s doesn´t have the same quality."

Hmmmm, clear as mud, I say. Well, if just the CY-6's give you this problem and the CY-12's don't, and you verified with other units that the pad rims are dead, I'd wait and see what Roland had to say. The other thing to do would be examine your playing style. Our Church V-pro's went out on the road so I brought mine in that week. I cringed when I saw another drummer whacking the daylight out of them. I adjusted from acoustic to electric rather easily. Some people have a lot of trouble going back and forth. You just don't have to hit em that hard. Needless to say, the Church kit has had several pad, clamp and cymbal mount replacements. I've had to solder a wire in one pad in three yrs (and that was after I left it at the Church for a week). So I'd say technique has a lot to do with it (although it usually doesn't happen that quickly).

Settings are very important. I have copied Chris's most recent detailed and very well written posts to use as a reference. But usually, if they're not right, you know it immediately. It usually doesn't take two weeks to creep up on you.

And yes, I have seen 2 or 3 posts where we had a few cymbal killers experience what you have. I believe one cracked the cymbals. But I don't recall any of them being Roland. I do have a PD-9 which split apart. It belonged to the Church kit.

[cube]

Hello Boingo,

I´ll never let a pad in a church, I promise ;-)

I never played acoustic drums in my live, I started with an Simmons-Set (BD, SN, Toms) in combination with some PD7 as Cymbals.

Now I play the V-Cymbals (and of course the CY-6 as well) in the way, you play a normal cymbal and I hit them in a normal way without any hard attitude. I can´t explain it, but I would say in 98% of the time I hit them in a way it would start hurting when hit the stick on your leg.

I´m able to play four instruments, began with piano, learned the drumming, added a little bass guitar and work with elec. guitars as well. Also I own a professional recording studio with an amek console, quested monitoring systems for example. None of my equipment or gear in the studio ever broke, so I guess I handle my cymbals with care.

Let´s see, what the dealer says.

Perhaps the only thing I had was a little badluck with a serie of pads.

Philip