Crosstalk problem

[cproctor Registered Member Find all posts View Profile Close cproctor]

Hi all!

I've had my v-drums for quite a while now and I've never had problems with crosstalk, but I set up my kit yesterday and noticed that my pd100s and a PD5 were triggering when I hit my crash cymbals. I have 2 crashs mounted on either side of my pd100s with a pd5 in between the pd100s. Anyway, I read in the manual (Expanded pd10) , about going to the
setup, trigger?, advanced and make the change there. (I'm typing this from memory, so it might not be exactly correct). I left all the drums set to "padmount" and tried to lower the number for the option about that, "crosstalk something...." and that seemed to take care of the pd100s, but the pd5 still triggers. I think I've lowered the pd5 to about 30. Forgive my ignorance....even tho I've been playing them for a while now I'm still kind of ignorant with the whole technical side of the kit. If you could give me any insight as to how to determine what kind of change to make, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks again!

Chris

btw, I'm using the mount normally used for the hihat for the pd5.

[BINARY Registered Member Find all posts View Profile Close BINARY]

I got pretty frustrated by crosstalk a while back, and my solution was to leave my PD-100s where they were and take my PD-7 and a PD-9, and move the mounting bracket to the lower bar of the rack.

This required me to use a boom stand and strech it out so the cymbals would be where I wanted them, but when I had the cymbal pad (pd-7 or 9) next to the Tom pad, I'd get the tom going off when I hit the cymbal.

BINARY

[puttenvr Registered Member Find all posts View Profile Close puttenvr]

Three things:

1. try to raise the treshold. But be aware: treshold levels which are to high decrease the sensitivity and dynamics.

2. try to isolate the different pads from eachother. I have my drumpads in RIMS for the reasons of crosstalk. These RIMS prevent vibrations to walk from one tom holder to another and prevent unwanted triggers. You can also change the angle of a cymbal, put it on another rack bar like Binary did or fill the hardware tubes (tom holders, cymbal adaptors) with foam.

3. a certain crosstalk is always allowed. Remember that acoustic snare that rattles a bit when playing the toms. Or the large ride cymbal from which the metal resounds a bit when playing a large tom or bass drum. When different instruments affect eachother a little bit then this makes the e-drum more like the real thing.

[cproctor Registered Member Find all posts View Profile Close cproctor]

I forgot to mention in my original email that I'm using live cymbals, not pads. Would your recommendations still apply, or would something change. Thanks for the input, guys!

Chris

Originally posted by puttenvr:
Three things:

1. try to raise the treshold. But be aware: treshold levels which are to high decrease the sensitivity and dynamics.

2. try to isolate the different pads from eachother. I have my drumpads in RIMS for the reasons of crosstalk. These RIMS prevent vibrations to walk from one tom holder to another and prevent unwanted triggers. You can also change the angle of a cymbal, put it on another rack bar like Binary did or fill the hardware tubes (tom holders, cymbal adaptors) with foam.

3. a certain crosstalk is always allowed. Remember that acoustic snare that rattles a bit when playing the toms. Or the large ride cymbal from which the metal resounds a bit when playing a large tom or bass drum. When different instruments affect eachother a little bit then this makes the e-drum more like the real thing.

[Boingo Registered Member Find all posts View Profile Close Boingo]

I am curious as to how non-problems suddenly become problems (and need to understand the problem). How long have you had the exp.card installed? Is there anything different about where you have your kit set up, i.e., floor, platform surfaces? Sounds like you didn't make any settings changes before it happened, is that true? When you take your kit apart, what actually gets disassembled and reassembled, i.e, pads removed or stay, rack folded or disassembled, etc.

A quick fix is to use cymbal stands but I'd rather understand the problem.

[puttenvr Registered Member Find all posts View Profile Close puttenvr]

Originally posted by cproctor:
I forgot to mention in my original email that I'm using live cymbals, not pads.

No, certainly changing the angle from acoustic cymbals count here.

[cproctor Registered Member Find all posts View Profile Close cproctor]

I've had the card in my td10 about 2 months. And your right, I hadn't made any changes to the pads....so, I thought it was kinda' weird that I'd all of a sudden have problems with it. No difference in the way I'm setting up the kit, surface, or anything. I'm going to try puttenvr's suggestion to change the angle of the cymbals. Maybe the angle is giving it just that much more vibration. I bet some of you guys are thinking, "Then get rid of the cymbals!!" ha ha. Thanks again!

Chris

Originally posted by Boingo:
I am curious as to how non-problems suddenly become problems (and need to understand the problem). How long have you had the exp.card installed? Is there anything different about where you have your kit set up, i.e., floor, platform surfaces? Sounds like you didn't make any settings changes before it happened, is that true? When you take your kit apart, what actually gets disassembled and reassembled, i.e, pads removed or stay, rack folded or disassembled, etc.

A quick fix is to use cymbal stands but I'd rather understand the problem.