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  • Rim Trigger Problem

    Hey all, I got a question about the rim on the pads (PD-7 and PD-9). I can't accurately get the rim to trigger the sound. It seems that the head sound will trigger instead. I could hit the rim in the exact same place three or four times and the rim sound will sound for like the first three and then the pad sound will trigger. Sometimes the pad sound will continue to trigger until I stop hitting the rim for a moment. It's driving me nuts becausse I have dual pads that I can't use because they are too unreliable. Anybody got any ideas? I have messed around some with the sensitivity settings and other things, but still can't get it to work accurately.

    Dave

  • #2
    Try to post all relevant gear with questions like this (or post it in your profile). I think I remember seeing a TD-10 in your recent pics and went back and checked but not everyone will. I'd first make sure you have the proper pad selected in the TD-10 for the respective inputs (assuming the ones you are having trouble with ARE plugged into the TD-10 and not something else). If so, and these are set up to default settings, make sure you are using stereo cables, (which it sounds like you are or you'd never get both sounds). Trade a known good cable for one of the ones you are having trouble on. If all that fails to flush out the problem, it may be deeper, but check those things first. If your pad settings have been tweaked, try putting them back to default for now, as these pads trigger pretty well on those settings on the TD-10. You can always adjust them to taste once they are working consistently to start with.

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    • #3
      Sorry about not putting my gear on, It's a TD-10 single unit with all pads cabled to it. I'm running a V-Concert set with an additional PD-7, KD-7 and DD-80 Yamaha. All the pads are selected correctly on the TD-10. I'm using stereo cables and I reinitialized the unit to restore the default settings. I'm still having the problem, all the pads do it. Let me explain what is happening. Lets say I'm playing 1/8 notes on the rim of one of the pads, one of three things will happen. I will get the head sound about every 6-7th hit and then it will go back to the rim. I will get both the head and rim, or it will go to the head sound and stay on that sound until I stop hitting the rim for a few moments. Is it a technique problem? I can hit the rim anyway imaginable (top, bottom, side, rimshot) and I still have the problem. Thanks.

      Dave

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      • #4
        Doesn't sound like a technique problem if you can hit in so many ways and still replicate the phenomenon. The fact that you seem to be saying that it is present in all of your 7s and 9s suggests to me that it is in the settings. (It is doubtful that all the pads could be damaged in the very same way.) Perhaps we can prevail upon someone using those pads with a TD-10 to run down the settings they are using to double check if that will work for you?

        In the meantime, if you have the TDW-1, set your module to trigger bank 2 and tell it your ride (presumably one of the PD9s on the left?) is various things including a CY ride or crash. (Those settings may have different effects on playability.) Also try all other dual zone pad selections as part of the experiment. You may find something that works at least better.

        The only other thing I can think of is crosstalk across the pad, so try holding the bottom of an offending pad firmly to dampen vibration and then try to get the problem to occur. If this dampening kills it, you'll need to work out deader mounting, but I doubt that is it. Still its worth a try.

        My guess is settings. I've played both those pads on more than one TD-10 set, with fantastic triggering. Sorry, I don't have those pads myself so I can't be more specific, but many do, hopefully someone can help nail it down.

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        • #5
          Try messing with the scan time. I had to bump it up to get the rim on my cy-15r working properly.
          Roland TD-20 v1.08, various v-drums and v-cymbals, Yamaha KP65's, Axis pedals, Gibraltar hardware, Mackie 1202/SRM450 (pre-china)

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          • #6
            I thought of the cross talk and tightened all the pads down hard and then held the bottom of the pad and that didn't help.

            As far as the settings, I'm not sure what to set. I reset all the defaults and that didn't help, is there anything specific to do. I will mess with the scan time and see if that helps. Also, I noticed that some of the kits do it more than others. Ex, Kit 1 is real bad but Kit 37 is better, are the pad settings for the different kits different?

            Dave

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            • #7
              To get the rim sound to trigger properly you need to play a rim shot(rim and head) not just the rim.(See manual TD-10 or PD-7/9) I have always used edge sounds for secondary percusion sounds, like cowbell and splashes and what not. I do not like using the rim for anything I need to play a lot of notes on. The pad I have the rim assigned to a cowbell I have no problem play 8th notes and triplets on it. I believe that is because of the postion and location. Also I am only using 1 hand. trying to trigger rim sound consistently with 2 hands takes someone with more patience and skill then I have.

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              • #8
                I originally read your post to be saying you have tried many different positions for playing the rimshots.
                Originally posted by FloridaDrummer:...I can hit the rim anyway imaginable (top, bottom, side, rimshot) and I still have the problem...
                I guess in retrospect you meant you were trying things other than rimshots.

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                • #9
                  I tried using rimshots and everything else I could think of and it didn't work. But get this, all of a sudden, it started working right. I'm not sure why but now it is working fine. Thanks for everyones help, now they will trigger using any technique. I don't know why but I really don't care either.

                  Dave

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                  • #10
                    Just a thought...

                    I've found over the years that having clean contacts is crucial to good performance of the trigger pads.

                    I first stumbled on to this after the first time I used my set near the beach. The next day, I had a really hard time getting the pads to trigger properly.

                    I used contact cleaner and cleaned all of the phone plugs (on the ends of the cables) and the jacks on both the brain and in each pad.

                    Everything worked GREAT after that. Now I do this every couple of weeks. No problems ever since.

                    Perhaps you already do this, but I thought I'd post this for anyone else having this problem.
                    I think, therefore I am....or at least I think I am!

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