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  • 14" roland mesh double triggering

    Has anybody experienced having to tighten a 14" roland drum head extra tight so it doesn't double trigger? I have a roland cone 35mm piezo. They work great on all the other drums. Is it because of the 2 ply that is causing the double triggering? I tried the adjustments mask and trig cancel, But then I lose playablity. Do single ply harts trigger better?

    Thanks in advance.
    Vinny
    Roland TD-8 Mod, DIY burgandy Mapex drums 12" snare, 8" 10" and 12" rack toms, 14" rack floor tom, 22" Bass drum , 3 cy-15r cymbals, one for the ride 2 for the crashes and cy-14c for hi hat.

    Songs i've recorded using my old TD-7

    My drum kit

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    Hi, I use both single ply Harts and the Rolands w/ Hart Pro toms. Have you tried the other trigger edit parameters such as Threshhold and Curve? I don't have a TD8 Manual handy, but I had a similar problem with my 12" Hart TE 3.0. Trigger, w/ Roland TD10. I use the 'Spline' setting in the basic trigger edit parameter mode. I'm assuming there is a similar setting on the TD8. Other than this, maybe their are technical issues that the DIY guys know more about.
    Hart Dynamics TE 3.2, Roland TD 10, Alesis Trigger I/O Logic PRO, Yamaha DTX 2.0

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    • #3
      I did have some initial issues with my DIY 13" Pearl floor tom. I placed a small piece of foam half way along the trigger cross brace, touching the head. The foam dampens any head resonance which isn't needed on a silent trigger and means I don't need to have the head as tight, although it still requires a reasonable amount of tension.

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      • #4
        Is the cone about 1/8" over the top of the drum? i only had double triggers when i had the cone set incorrectly against the mesh head.

        It's gotta be a foam/head issue as SP say's.

        I also found that different mesh's fit and tighten differently against the cone too, so i aways re checked the height.
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        • #5
          I appreciate all the responses. I adjusted the cone about an 1/8th above rim.
          Should I be able to feel the cone through the head ( there is a slight lump) Is that OK? I also think the roland head might have something to do with it. If I tighten it normal like the other toms. I can really hear the 2plys vibrating. And that is when the double triggering is really bad. When I tighten it more double triggering starts to fade.(But not enough)I have retrig/cancel on 4. I would like to have that less if possible. Even 3 makes a difference with playability.
          How tight can I put a roland mesh? Can I damage it from overtightning?

          Vinny
          Roland TD-8 Mod, DIY burgandy Mapex drums 12" snare, 8" 10" and 12" rack toms, 14" rack floor tom, 22" Bass drum , 3 cy-15r cymbals, one for the ride 2 for the crashes and cy-14c for hi hat.

          Songs i've recorded using my old TD-7

          My drum kit

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          • #6
            It is generally accepted that the Roland heads are almost indestructible but please, don't chase after me if you break it!!!

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            • #7
              Vinny,

              I have had a 14" Roland on my DIY snare for several years now......I found that they do have a greater tendancy to double-trigger due to 'slapback', however, between adjusting the cone height, and tensioning the head, I eliminated the problem. You might actually have to adjust the cone a little higher than normal if you want to slack off the head,(there is a happy medium there). I am actually using the 'stock' PD-125 setup, with some minor adjustments to head/rim sensitivity. I prefer my mesh heads tighter, as it gives a more lively feel. The mesh heads are actually more durable than regular mylar heads, so overtightening is not a big issue.......Or so the Roland product specialist told me when I had the same concerns.

              Myke C.



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              • #8
                Hiya

                I tend to put some electricians insulation tape around the edge to make a mega smooth and soft surface for the head to tighten against, i tighten the pins finger tight and do around 2 turns or maybe 2 and 1/4 so it's nice and tight and i can't push the mesh down easily, if you look at the drum straight on at eye level you should be able to line up near and far rim and see the cone just popping over a tad.

                Dave

                ps - i also se the tinyiest bit of lubricant on the pin threads and tissue paper off again to make sure the threads are working well and the pins tighten down unhindered.
                Last edited by daveybabes; 07-16-08, 02:34 AM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by daveybabes View Post
                  Hiya

                  I tend to put some electricians insulation tape around the edge to make a mega smooth and soft surface for the head to tighten against, i tighten the pins finger tight and do around 2 turns or maybe 2 and 1/4 so it's nice and tight and i can't push the mesh down easily, if you look at the drum straight on at eye level you should be able to line up near and far rim and see the cone just popping over a tad.

                  Dave

                  ps - i also se the tinyiest bit of lubricant on the pin threads and tissue paper off again to make sure the threads are working well and the pins tighten down unhindered.
                  I put the tape on the edge of the drum and it helped a little. The head is not as tight now as it was. Is there something better than tape that could be used for the bearing edge? I checked the edge of these drums and I could see where the heads would be snagging on them.

                  Vinny
                  Roland TD-8 Mod, DIY burgandy Mapex drums 12" snare, 8" 10" and 12" rack toms, 14" rack floor tom, 22" Bass drum , 3 cy-15r cymbals, one for the ride 2 for the crashes and cy-14c for hi hat.

                  Songs i've recorded using my old TD-7

                  My drum kit

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                  • #10
                    Could try a thin strip of foam? maybe some double sided foam tape with the outer skin left on so its like padded tape, just enough to cover the bearing edge, May help with vibes too, it's really trial end error on these things, can make ya wanna curse mostly he he .

                    Sand down any rough drum edges too. I did that on mine. Keep trying bro, once it's done it's done...
                    Last edited by daveybabes; 07-16-08, 06:51 AM.
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                    • #11
                      I currently have 3 x 14" conversions and the main factor to getting them to work perfectly is cone height.
                      I am using all Roland piezo's and circuits and could not figure out why I initially had false triggering until i started experimenting with cone height. It really is crucial.

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                      • #12
                        Take some really fine sandpaper, (800 grit), run your finger around the bearing edge......If you find any rough spots, GENTLY smooth them with the sandpaper. Then take a small piece of parrafin wax and run it around the bearing edge, then smooth with your finger, and repeat. The generated by rubbing with your finger smooths the wax into the wood. This is also a time-tested solution on acoustic drums, as it acts as a lubricant, and allows the head to move more freely over the bearing edge, causing the drum to tune more easily, and stay in tune longer.

                        Myke C.



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