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    Hi,

    I was just wondering if theres anyway of linking up the hardness of a stroke with the foot height of the hi hat.

    Basically, im a wheelchair user, and have no use of my legs, and am currently using an open hi-hit pad, and a closed hi-hat pad.

    But was wondering if i could somehow get more use out of the closed hi hat pad, by having hard hits be outputed as swashy/open sounds and soft hits as closed sounds.

    Is this possible?

    I currently have a TD-8, but wouldn't mind upgrading if it is featured on higher models.

    Thanks for reading,

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    Hi

    I think u need a velocity sensitive trigger of some sort like maybe one of these sampler pads ...

    http://www.electronicdrums.com/frames/controllers.htm

    Or hooking one of your pads up via midi to something like EZ Drummer, so if a number of samples are applied to a pad going from closed hi hat to open and launched when the velocity strike force gets to a certain level to give the full controll.

    I'm no expert but i think the answer lies in software which many people are looking to for features not covered by their present drum modules.

    I do know it can be done with programmes like Ableton live and a midi keyboard which is basically the same as transmitting a midi note on the drums.

    I'm sure someone here will have a better answer he he

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    • #3
      Note sure if this is down your alley or not, but have you considered using a MIDI breath controller like this one? http://www.musik-produktiv.co.uk/yamaha-bc3.aspx (used in conjunction with this): http://www.midisolutions.com/prodbth.htm
      Basically you can just set it up so that the harder you blow the more closed the hi-hats become, or vice-versa if you want. Just a thought

      Aaron
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      • #4
        You can definitely map velocity of strike to open/closedness of hats. You could also use a two zone hat cymbal with open sounds triggered when the edge is struck and closed sounds triggered when the bow is stuck; you can also make it so that hitting the bow closes off a playing open (edge) sound.

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        • #5
          hmm, thanks for the replies all

          Aaron, im currently using my mouth in conjunction with a mouthswtich for the base drum, but thanks for the idea.

          I'll check out my td-8, but i couldn't find anything about mapping velocity to sounds of hihat, and i'll also try the 2 zone idea, but ive found it to be quite inaccurate in the past.

          maybe software and midi is the solution

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          • #6
            Ah, cool, gotcha! You're right, software is definitely the way to go then. There's some software here: http://www.tonywallace.com/heuristic...t_Modules.html
            that can convert a MIDI note velocity to a cc value (the high hats pedal position). I think it's only $10 but I'm sure there'd be a free program out there somewhere if you don't feel like ponying up any dough. Hope that helps
            "Today young men on acid realised that all matter is purely energy condensed to a slow vibration; That we are all of one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively; There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves.. Here's Tom with the weather"...

            TD-20 + TMC-6 + VF-1 + Gen16's = Not enough inputs.
            Watch me - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqt6zaAYkY

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            • #7
              Looks interesting

              Just seen this has come on the market...

              It has different zones and velocity switching and runs off its own steam on a pc, you can load up your own samples, so u could have samples of hi hat open half open and closed and many more and trigger them from this. Responds to velocity too.

              Using it as a high hat ... ? looks like a usefull tool.

              http://www.synesthesiacorp.com/

              Just a thought ... best to enquire yourself though to make sure it a has all your required features and will mount on a Roland L Bracket etc
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              • #8
                Originally posted by daveybabes View Post
                ...It has different zones and velocity switching and runs off its own steam on a pc, you can load up your own samples, so u could have samples of hi hat open half open and closed and many more and trigger them from this. Responds to velocity too.

                Using it as a high hat ... ? looks like a usefull tool.

                http://www.synesthesiacorp.com/
                D'oh. I should have thought of that. That's a great suggestion. You can map a fully open sound to the outer most ring, then slightly more closed, all the way to tightly closed as you move inward, and still have all velocity levels.

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                • #9
                  Ah Mandala... is there anything you can't do? Great thinking daveybabes!!
                  "Today young men on acid realised that all matter is purely energy condensed to a slow vibration; That we are all of one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively; There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves.. Here's Tom with the weather"...

                  TD-20 + TMC-6 + VF-1 + Gen16's = Not enough inputs.
                  Watch me - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqt6zaAYkY

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wforl View Post
                    Hi,

                    I was just wondering if theres anyway of linking up the hardness of a stroke with the foot height of the hi hat.

                    Basically, im a wheelchair user, and have no use of my legs, and am currently using an open hi-hit pad, and a closed hi-hat pad.

                    But was wondering if i could somehow get more use out of the closed hi hat pad, by having hard hits be outputed as swashy/open sounds and soft hits as closed sounds.

                    Is this possible?

                    I currently have a TD-8, but wouldn't mind upgrading if it is featured on higher models.

                    Thanks for reading,
                    Are each of your hi hat pads 2 zone? I have a Roland td 8 and a cy14c as a hi hat. I adjusted the decay (instrument edit section) to +5 on the rim strigger to give it a little bit of an open sound and the bow trigger to 0 for a tighter sound. The more positive you go with the decay the more open it sounds, But it also sustains longer too.
                    Roland TD-8 Mod, DIY burgandy Mapex drums 12" snare, 8" 10" and 12" rack toms, 14" rack floor tom, 22" Bass drum , 3 cy-15r cymbals, one for the ride 2 for the crashes and cy-14c for hi hat.

                    Songs i've recorded using my old TD-7

                    My drum kit

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                    • #11
                      Thanks guys,

                      I got into contact with Fxpansion, and they sent me a free copy of BFD,

                      So im gonna try and link it up with Cubase, and see what i can get it to do, im going to try and link up velocity up with closed to open.

                      I tried with my td-8 and the bow for closed, and edge for open, and although it works ok, it requires a lot of accuracy to get it right, and even then sometimes it goes wrong. I figure velocity will be a better option.

                      Thanks, and i'll keep you updated of how it goes, if your interested at all.

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