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    Hello all,
    I got my TD-10s hook up to the BX kit yesterday. Overall I'm pretty satified although I am having one heck of a time trying to get the Accusnare sensitive enough to somewhat resemble an acoustic kit. I have used all the advice I have found on the forums and a letter from Peter. i.e.set on 12a, threshold down low, adjust sensitivity etc. Where it stands now is it is very insensitive and the sidestick sound triggers randomly when strikeing the center of the drum. I'm sure it is operator error yet I have run out of options on my own. Any one elses would be appreciated.
    Thanks,
    Kyle
    Kyle Davids
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  • #2
    Try lowering the rim sensitivity to get rid of the sidestick triggering (sounds as if you need to lower the crosstick threshold if you are getting crosstick sounds before rimshot). Did you actually get the head to tune to the module? Play with the scan time if you have trouble with this. I would like to here more myself from users, I am debating picking up this snare myself. Does it tune well?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by szvook:
        Did you tighten the Acusnare head to your liking before you connected to the TD-10? Some times that could matter. You want to tighten the pads to suit your needs, than connect to the module and adjust the perimeters after.
        So you are actually saying the pad does not tune with the head tension adjustment of the module? Setup/F1 trigger/F4 option. I need to know this if at all possible.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BtnkBndt:
            So you are actually saying the pad does not tune with the head tension adjustment of the module? Setup/F1 trigger/F4 option. I need to know this if at all possible.
            You are correct, they do not work well with the head adjustment on the module. I think that it has something to do with the size (13 compared to the 12 roland). I have the acusnare and it works well with some of the snares in the module but not as well with others. I have the td-8 though. I have all hart pads and I think they are great, but the acusnare is not a turn key pad. It will take a bit of tweaking to get it to respond to your likings. As much as it hurts me to say this, I would probably stick to the roland pads for snare. I tried one and it worked better. The other hart pad work flawlessly for toms, bassdrum, and cymbals.
            One more thing, hart is a awesome company to work with. They are truly there for their customers.

            Kurt

            Kurt

            Pearl drums converted with hart adc, roland kd7's, pd 120 for snare, various roland rubber pads, hart e cymbals and pads, td8, td6, 2 mackie srm450s and mackie sub. mackie sr 24-4 mixer........and always growing.

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            • #7
              Thanks Kurt,

              I really want to go to a larger snare than my pd-120 but I don't want to loose the positional aspects of the Roland. I've heard people claim they get positional with the Accusnare but no one has ever sad they have had success with the tension adjustment.

              I went ahead and picked up a 13" stage custom snare tonight. I think I'll try converting with Harts two ply and just see what results I get on my own. It's worth a shot anyway.

              Thanks again

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              • #8
                btnkbndt:

                Let me know how it works out for you.

                Kurt
                Kurt

                Pearl drums converted with hart adc, roland kd7's, pd 120 for snare, various roland rubber pads, hart e cymbals and pads, td8, td6, 2 mackie srm450s and mackie sub. mackie sr 24-4 mixer........and always growing.

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                • #9
                  Remove the rubber rim trim and try again. This should work fine, once you adjust sensitivity down for a trimless rim.

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                  • #10
                    szvook,
                    Thanks for the reply,(as for everyone).
                    I have been up and down every adjustment in this thing. Scan, cancel, sensitivity, threshold, etc. but for some reason, when the head is hit about a third out from the rim, the rim triggers. The only way I have gotton it to stop is to turn it off. (Kind of a drag)

                    "Most importantly: Are you running the snare separately from the TD-10 into a mixer channel? You will need to do this if you are not."

                    You mean I need to put an external mixer in line between the TD-10 and the accusnare?
                    How would I have ever known that?
                    How would this help the triggering problem?
                    Not saying your wrong, I'm just confused now.

                    "What exactly do you mean when you say: "trying to get the Accusnare sensitive enough to somewhat resemble an acoustic kit".
                    What are you expecting the Acusnare to do in comparison to an acoustic snare"

                    The sensitivity on the toms are sweet. you can buzz roll on them and they trigger. The snare isn't even close. I have even tried copying the exact same settings from the toms for the snare. The threshold is all the way down, the sensitivity is up, head tension desirable, the positional awarness setup I have never gotton to work right no matter how I tune the drum, I read the manual cover to cover, I'm beginning to think that maybe it is either the drum or the fact it has the TDW in the unit. So, fortunatly I have another TD-10 sitting here without the expansion installed yet. I will try putting that up on the rack and see if that makes a difference. Good old process of elimination. Which makes me think again. Once you install the TDW, you can't uninstall it? hmmm. Oh yes, It is a 2-ply mesh head. The drum that is, not me I don't think,yet. Oh ya, on some of the kits, the bell of the ride insists on being a splash. I swear, I have checked and rechecked the inputs. All the cords were tagged and verified in the right place. The quest? To have a snare drum sensitive enough to play light goast notes-and no random sidestick sound in between. I'm rambling I know. I got a letter back from Peter H. he gave me some settings, and said that if I use them I would be able to sneeze on the drum and trigger it. I tried them but no luck. (heads a little slimey now)He told me if that didn't work,to contact him and he would set up the same senario then get back to me with the settings. Still waiting on them. Enough here. I must go tweak. Thanks all. There is a lot of useful knowledge in here. I'm sure "we" will get "My" problem fixed.
                    Kyle


                    Kyle Davids
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                    • #11
                      Forgive me but I feel compelled to write again. These last few hours of brainstorming have gotten interesting. After not getting my TD-10 /w expansion to work as I wanted to I decided to hook up a second one with no exp. (why do I have 2 TD-10s? A time for acknowledgement here. They are not "hot" nor am I wealthy. Just a favor from a very genuine friend in a very high position)Anyway, after hooking up the second module, their was no display. just a number, no display. Nothing like one step forward two steps back. So the natural thing to do is call tech support and arrange for a return. No,not me. Probably a stupid move but I decided to remove the rear cover from the unit to see if anything is disconnected. Glad I did. It was real simple,(no warranty labels torn)and there was a connector slightly ajar. Wahlah! The display is back. But after connecting the snare to the new module with no exp.,there was no difference.
                      Still not sensitive enough on the snare. With the snare halfway back in the box(figure of speech) I decide to try one more thing, perhaps the trigger in the middle of the drum is not close enough to the head. Forget technical, lets go common sense. So I take a piece of cloth and sandwich it between the center pick-up and the head. Well, low and behold, I have all the sensitivity I need! It works sweet. Now I have some room to work with on both ends. I'm still working on gating the rim shot a little better but the sensitivity on the head is sweet. Oh ya, what was this material I put between the head and trigger? The felt bag from the Harry Potter every flavor beans.Go figure..
                      If you have kids you will know what I'm talking about. Thanks for the help guys.
                      Thanks Harry...
                      Kyle Davids
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                      My Inspiration

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                        • #13
                          Sky10,

                          Do not run anything between the pad and module but a cord. I believe he is talking about running a direct out from the module, this is not going to help your situation at all. Glad to see you have found a solution.

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                          • #14
                            szvook,
                            Make no dought about about it, your help, knowledge and patience have been well appreciated. Not to mention, just plain needed. When I had spoke to Peter he had stated that he would send me all the settings he came up with to get the snare working. At this time he didn't request me to ship back the unit. But if it comes down to it, I may just go ahead and return it if I don't get some of the other nuances worked out. As BtnkBndt stated, I just want to clarify, patch the snare out of one of the 3 direct out so it is isolated from the rest correct? I had misunderstood.
                            All, your help is much appreciated. As soon as Peter gets back to me I will post the settings he states.
                            Thanks,
                            Kyle
                            Kyle Davids
                            Lefty's Hip Pocket
                            My Inspiration

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