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ATV aD H-14 HiHat setup w mimic pro?

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  • Chris K
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    Originally posted by csnow View Post

    Hi hat has always been problematic but I have been gone from the scene for over 5 years now and things seem to be much better now.

    Problems are on VST side not module, vst are pain to configure and working right on module.

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    Last edited by Chris K; 01-31-20, 01:53 PM.

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  • Alan VEX
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    I use the first version. As far as I know, color is the only difference. I prefer the MG myself. Doesn’t show wear.

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  • csnow
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    Originally posted by Alan VEX View Post
    Thanks for the kind words. Above, I was just speaking from customer experience. I have a lot of VEX customers that hated the 10/11, and asked me about the 13. All I can say is it works well. (albeit, with a lot of initial setup) The ones that have switched agreed wholeheartedly. That’s all I can add really.
    Thanks, the VH13 it is then. What is the difference between the v1 and the v2 besides the color. Should the v1 be avoided for some reason?

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  • Alan VEX
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    Thanks for the kind words. Above, I was just speaking from customer experience. I have a lot of VEX customers that hated the 10/11, and asked me about the 13. All I can say is it works well. (albeit, with a lot of initial setup) The ones that have switched agreed wholeheartedly. That’s all I can add really.

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  • csnow
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    Originally posted by Alan VEX View Post
    You guys still talking about this combo? Just buy a VH-13 already, and thank me later.
    Hey Alan,

    What advantage does the VH-13 have over the VH-10/11 with the Mimic? I am 98% certain I am going the Pearl route with your VEX kits and just ditching external VSTs all together. The fact Superior Drummer has no upgrade path from 2.0 to 3.0 pretty much sealed the deal that I am done with them. Hi hat has always been problematic but I have been gone from the scene for over 5 years now and things seem to be much better now. Thanks for any info you can share. On a side note, after all these years I have never seen your drumming until watching your VEX Pearl vids. Wow man, you have amazing skills and make it look so easy and effortless - well done.

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  • Chris K
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    Originally posted by Kabonfaiba View Post

    can support all the triggers from every manufacturer as good as the manufacturers native module.
    Hihat would be always challenging with many variable, https://www.vdrums.com/forum/advance...em-and-the-fix here vh11 with Roland td30 module that should not happens, but it happens because hi-hat are 4 separates mechanism.

    The main issue with hihat are all type of different stand and clutch setting for most module, after in most case are users end error on calibration. The rest is sound engine related .
    Last edited by Chris K; 12-21-19, 11:15 PM.

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  • JmanWord
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    I find the Pearl Mimic Pro the best sound module I have ever owned or tested AFA Trigger Parameter choices while setting up any pad or cymbal I have tried .... much more adjust-ability. I have always thought Roland was outstanding in that area. But the Mimic is even better. Pearl (via Sergey) even provided a special PPS Ride preset (almost all brands of "Real" metal 3 zone rides are PPS type, mine included) .... I helped do a little beta testing on that. And that type of service is also something beyond what I have experienced with any other Edrum company. The Mimic is definitely the Most universally compatible module out there.

    I have recently been doing some testing with the Alesis Strike Performance module .... and I can say for sure the difference in setting up other brand triggers is the opposite experience. You basically need to design the trigger to work with that module for the most part .... Granted, that module is not even offered presently a la carte, and is designed around the Strike kit .... but the lack of some of the basic and advanced trigger parameters makes things difficult if not impossible for setting up some "other brand" pads/triggers.
    Last edited by JmanWord; 12-21-19, 03:37 PM.

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  • Kabonfaiba
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    I'm not sure how I missed that paragraph, but I did!

    I guess the Mimic Pro really is the greatest trigger module in the world if it can support all the triggers from every manufacturer as good as the manufacturers native module.

    I guess I got buried in this quote here:

    Originally posted by MJB View Post
    I will say the ATV cymbals played wonderfully on the aD5 - I think the ATV module actually has the Mimic beat in that regard. They just sounded and felt so natural together..
    That's very bad for ATV if they give you a trigger settings with incorrect gain for your controller. How else were you supposed to know that?

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  • Mr.Boo
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    Originally posted by Kabonfaiba View Post
    The problem then, is that the company that makes the trigger hardware can make the perfect algorithms to go with the module they also made.

    The 3rd party Mimic Pro has to best guess with all triggers of all brands - inconsistencies as a result of making a universal trigger module, roughly speaking.

    I hope ATV reaches out to support the Mimic Pro and find a fair solution, even though they don't have to. The ATV doesn't support a VH-13 does it? - This is the same argument if coming from the other side.

    Or it's time to bust out an oscilloscope lol.
    I'm not sure if you read the whole message


    Originally posted by MJB View Post
    Well, I tried everything.

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    I ordered both an ATV aD5
    ............
    To my surprise, I continued to have the same problem, with every combination of hi-hat and module that I tried. So I’m checked and rechecked the pedal spring tension, as well as all of the trigger settings (over, and over, and over...).

    What FINALLY seems to have worked is to set the input gain low - very low (like 1 or 2). I can’t understand it, surely not everyone is doing this? Maybe it has something to do with my particular hi-hat stand, or playing style, or who knows what else?
    PS I would definitely fix all problems, but unfortunately I lost contact with MJB
    Last edited by Mr.Boo; 12-21-19, 01:44 PM.

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  • Chris K
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    Originally posted by Kabonfaiba View Post
    The problem then, is that the company that makes the trigger hardware can make the perfect algorithms to go with the module they also made.

    The 3rd party Mimic Pro has to best guess with all triggers of all brands - inconsistencies as a result of making a universal trigger module, roughly speaking.

    I hope ATV reaches out to support the Mimic Pro and find a fair solution, even though they don't have to. The ATV doesn't support a VH-13 does it? - This is the same argument if coming from the other side.

    Or it's time to bust out an oscilloscope lol.
    Not sure if you read his message, he have the same problem with all module and hihat, not related to one.

    For ATV hihat, real issue is with 2 atv hihat version on the market, older and newer, one reflector lower and one higher + 2 different clutch version. Optical is very sensible, optical lights is the same as water leak "precision", and those 2 atv hihat version make all variant algorithm confused.

    Alex and Sergey are actually working with the newer atv hihat version to fix it, but will require time to made new preset finalized.
    Last edited by Chris K; 12-21-19, 01:57 PM.

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  • Chris K
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    Originally posted by MJB View Post

    To my surprise, I continued to have the same problem, with every combination of hi-hat and module that I tried. So I’m checked and rechecked the pedal spring tension, as well as all of the trigger settings (over, and over, and over...).

    What FINALLY seems to have worked is to set the input gain low - very low (like 1 or 2). I can’t understand it, surely not everyone is doing this? Maybe it has something to do with my particular hi-hat stand, or playing style, or who knows what else?
    Since you are getting the same issue with all module, where the hihat stand is? try over a carpet, it seem your hihat doing too much vibration to the top cymbal, and triggers open sound hihat at chick pedal.

    I am using vh11 with mimic, dw5000 stand no issue at all, even input gain at 17 threshold 0, no open hihat sound at chick pedal, this issue happens only when I set at full max 100% high tension pedal, but no need, I set it just below.
    Last edited by Chris K; 12-21-19, 02:04 PM.

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  • Kabonfaiba
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    The problem then, is that the company that makes the trigger hardware can make the perfect algorithms to go with the module they also made.

    The 3rd party Mimic Pro has to best guess with all triggers of all brands - inconsistencies as a result of making a universal trigger module, roughly speaking.

    I hope ATV reaches out to support the Mimic Pro and find a fair solution, even though they don't have to. The ATV doesn't support a VH-13 does it? - This is the same argument if coming from the other side.

    Or it's time to bust out an oscilloscope lol.

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  • MJB
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    Well, I tried everything.

    First, I received a beta version of the aD-H14 preset, which helped a little (at least for a little while). But then it stated again with false triggering foot splashes, and I got desperate. I ordered both an ATV aD5 and a Roland VH-10, forctesting, so that I could once and for all establish or rule out a hardware issue. (AWESOME customer service from Pearl/SSD, btw. I’ve NEVER received that kind of personalized support before).

    To my surprise, I continued to have the same problem, with every combination of hi-hat and module that I tried. So I’m checked and rechecked the pedal spring tension, as well as all of the trigger settings (over, and over, and over...).

    What FINALLY seems to have worked is to set the input gain low - very low (like 1 or 2). I can’t understand it, surely not everyone is doing this? Maybe it has something to do with my particular hi-hat stand, or playing style, or who knows what else?

    Anyway, the aD5 and VH-10 are both on their way back to where they came from. Both are pretty good pieces of gear, but not quite up to the Mimic and aD-H14. I will say the ATV cymbals played wonderfully on the aD5 - I think the ATV module actually has the Mimic beat in that regard. They just sounded and felt so natural together. Maybe if the Mimic ever gets bow articulations in the crashes...as for the VH-10, I really liked the lightness and responsiveness, but the ATV’s larger playing area is obviously a huge plus. But to be honest, if it weren’t possible to play the ATV without the bottom hat, I would gladly settle for the smaller VH-10, that’s how big a problem I think the noise is on the ATVs. Fortunately, once you remove the bottom hat, the ATV and VH-10 are at about the same noise level. I know that single-cymbal hats aren’t as “cool” and aesthetically pleasing as a pair of hats, but they sure are more practical.
    Last edited by MJB; 12-21-19, 12:51 AM.

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  • Chris K
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    Not sure if this can help, with DW5000 stand, do not set the hihat tension spring to full up tight, no more then 90 % under the "click" tension setting.

    I have done deep testing with VH11 with v11v2 preset and DW5000 stand, the pedal tension is the key, if set at full top, on my dw5000 (when set at full top you notice click on the physical hardware setting) it create issue on close\open with chick pedal, it trigs lowest velocity open sound from the top physical hi-hat, setting dw5000 spring tension just under at 90% no issue ( under the click), it appears with very high pedal tension send more vibration to the metal hihat rod that touch the upper bow cymbal. Tested even worst case scenario with threshold 0 input gain 17 to full, no issue at all. I bring it back to input gain 12 and 10 threshold, no need more then this works perfect.

    Result will vary from stand to stand physical construction. Pedal spring tension need to be set just to get nice up and down feel speed, too much low is not good, the hihat will barely get up and down with delayed result.


    This was set as test near 70% higher pedal tension, but works on higher with my vh11 like 90% almost full, just not set it full top.

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    Last edited by Chris K; 12-07-19, 06:49 PM.

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  • Kabonfaiba
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    Just so the idea isn't left in the cold; there is a way to completely eliminate all these problems by getting a Roland FD-9. As long as you are happy to sacrifice a moving hat.

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