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  • USB MIDI Connection Between Two Modules?

    I have a very basic USB MIDI question. Can two modules communicate via USB MIDI as if they're linked via both MIDI IN and MIDI OUT to use both modules in a VST setup simultaneously? If this works in theory, I would need a connector/cable to merge/split the USB at one module or the other to daisy chain it to my laptop.

    I'm wondering if, for example, a TD-11 and a DTX502 can be linked together to increase the number of inputs sent to my computer using VSTs. This would also give me the ability to input Yamaha pads directly into a DTX502 for an added compatibility benefit for what it's worth.

    Anyone tried this?

    Thanks!
    ATV aDrums & aD5, Pearl Mimic Pro & DIY, eDRUMin 10, Agean R-series Silent Cymbals, Roland Handsonic HPD-20.

  • #2
    Problem is the DTX502 has no real MIDI ports otherwise it would be a simple daisy-chain. It should be possible to have multiple devices connected to the PC to trigger the VSTs - depending on the host software.
    Last edited by electrodrummer; 11-04-14, 09:29 AM.
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    • #3
      Yes is the answer. All you need is a midi merger I use this. It works great.

      http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MIDIthru4
      "It makes sense if you dont think about it"

      Mimic Pro, SPD-SX, 2-QSC K-10s, K-sub, Yamaha mixer, and a bunch of other expensive cool things!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by electrodrummer View Post
        Problem is the DTX502 has no real MIDI ports otherwise it would be a simple daisy-chain. It should be possible to have multiple devices connected to the PC to trigger the VSTs - depending on the host software.
        nor does the TD11 have MIDI in.

        The only way to combine 2 MIDI out is with Intruder solution, a MIDI merger. Unfortunately, his link is not to the MIDI merger. this one is:

        http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MIDImerge2

        BUT....

        as the TD11 offer a MIDI out through either a USB or MIDI port, the DTX502 only offers MIDI out through USB. So, that MIDI merger will not work.

        In your case, the only way I see to combine a TD11 with a DTX502 is to use a Mac computer. On a Mac, it is possible to "aggregate" different inputs together to make them perform as one when used by the computer. PCs do not have that feature.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by perceval View Post

          nor does the TD11 have MIDI in.

          The only way to combine 2 MIDI out is with Intruder solution, a MIDI merger. Unfortunately, his link is not to the MIDI merger. this one is:

          http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MIDImerge2

          BUT....

          as the TD11 offer a MIDI out through either a USB or MIDI port, the DTX502 only offers MIDI out through USB. So, that MIDI merger will not work.

          In your case, the only way I see to combine a TD11 with a DTX502 is to use a Mac computer. On a Mac, it is possible to "aggregate" different inputs together to make them perform as one when used by the computer. PCs do not have that feature.

          Yep, you are right. Damn Roland for removing midi in. What were they thinking? Just to sell more TD-30 probably.
          I use the thru to feed 4 separate midi outputs into my computer but only one at a time.
          Last edited by Intruder; 11-04-14, 08:16 PM.
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          • #6
            Thanks for all the feedback and input!

            Just for clarity, what I was looking to achieve is essentially a USB midi merge since the DTX502 lacks MIDI port and only has a single USB MIDI port. Thanks Perceval for the suggestion. I have a Mac, but not a PC, so I will look to see whether GarageBand or EZDrummer2 support aggregating two MIDI USB connections at the same time. That would be my best solution for increasing my inputs or VSTs!

            By the way, my TD-11 is fantastic as a MIDI controller for EZDrummer 2. It's super fast, and I love using USB to drive the digital sounds back to the TD-11 where it converts them to audio in the TD-11 (The USB Audio function - assign the TD-11 as the audio device in the VST). Very cool!

            To clarify Intruder's point, the TD-11 does have MIDI OUT as does the TD-4. It's MIDI IN that they don't have.
            Last edited by jpsquared482; 11-04-14, 08:23 PM. Reason: Forgot the word "merge" above, but the proper term is "aggregation".
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            • #7
              the aggregate function is not within a VST. It is in your Mac's Utilities/ Audio MIDI Setup.

              Just Google how to do it, or look into the Help files.
              DTX700, eDRUMin 4+10, A2E Dixon kit, Yamaha cymbals, FSR HH
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              • #8
                Thanks Perceval I was searching and found this on the Apple support site for those interested in this feature:
                http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1215

                Looks like adding a DTX is a very cost effective method for me to expand my module inputs while trying out native Yamaha pads.
                ATV aDrums & aD5, Pearl Mimic Pro & DIY, eDRUMin 10, Agean R-series Silent Cymbals, Roland Handsonic HPD-20.

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                • #9
                  After finally finding time and succeeding in setting up the VSTs on my PC, I managed to trigger and hear the sounds without (much) latency. Now, this is a whole new world and exactly what I've been looking for. As I'm only playing at home, a PC, cables, and all that is not an issue. So I'm thinking that getting a Superior Drummer (or something else?) and a couple of SDX packages would be a better option than getting a different module.

                  However, this brings me to the original question. Is there a way to solve this thread's problem on a PC?
                  I've seen MIDI-2-USB cables being available and am wondering if a combination of them would work.

                  My setup includes a TD-11 + TD-3. While TD-3 has classical MIDI IN/OUT, TD-11 only has a USB type B connector. What would be a (working!) way to aggregate these two together?

                  The things I understand so far:
                  - MIDI to USB cable (i.e. https://www.thomann.de/at/thomann_midi_usb_1x1.htm, https://www.thomann.de/at/tie_studio_midi_1i1o.htm, https://www.thomann.de/at/miditech_midilinkmini.htm)
                  - Midi Merge device (https://www.thomann.de/at/search_dir...&sw=midi+merge)
                  - Midi Interface devices

                  These are not enough to get the TD-11 onboard. So, I guess some kind of USB/MIDI or USB/USB aggregation would be needed, just like in the suggested solution for Mac.
                  Any hints? Thanks!
                  Also thanks for all the posts so far, which got me to turn off the Midi Local Control option and eliminate the double sound and the latency.
                  Last edited by alensiljak; 01-28-17, 06:08 AM. Reason: adding more options
                  TD-11 + TD-4 with a few pads and cymbals.
                  https://www.vdrums.com/forum/perform...44011-my-kit-s
                  https://osim.wikidot.com

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