How do I build my own CY-15R?

[evilcartman]

I have extensive experience making my own triggers. I have made e-cymbals out of Frisbees, coke cans, real cymbals. My 3 zone ride works much like a Smartigger ride or one from Jdrum I would imagine from the look of his kits. What I would like to do is make a ride cymbal that works with the stock TD20/30 trigger setting i.e. 3-way triggering with the second trigger being the "ride-ctrl"

This way I get the nest of both worlds: The feel of the real ride cymbal, that fat bell and natural float, plus all the sensitivities and expressions the module is capable of. I also wont have to edit each kit for the ride sounds.

So does anyone know how to do this? What is going on in the CY15R more that just bell, bow, edge, and choke triggers?

thanks

[Meshopotamia]

I'm a newbie doing some similar research but see diagram here, if wiring is part of the question. http://www.vdrums.com/forum/forum/advanced/diy/55361-help-getting-confused-with-3-zone-cymbal

The manual for the CY-15R gives other information you might need as to triggering, and what works, what doesn't. The CY-15R appears to just have bell piezo, bow piezo, and then upper and lower rim film switch, however it has two outputs, and only 1 of the 2 is suggested be used for most modules at the same time (bow/bell or bow/edge).

I'm making some clone CY-8's for my kit at the moment, just bow and edge.

[Sylv1co]

What I would like to do is make a ride cymbal that works with the stock TD20/30 trigger setting i.e. 3-way triggering with the second trigger being the "ride-ctrl"

The only thing you can hope to improve on a desing such as the one from Jman or smartrigger is to get positional sensing. And I think it almost impossible to influence the behaviour of a cymal regarding pos sensing. With luck you can maybe get some acceptable results from your cymbal, let us know.

[evilcartman]

The only thing you can hope to improve on a desing such as the one from Jman or smartrigger is to get positional sensing. And I think it almost impossible to influence the behaviour of a cymal regarding pos sensing. With luck you can maybe get some acceptable results from your cymbal, let us know.

eiPositional sensing is in the input, not the trigger. If anything, Jsman should have better sensing because the distance between the piezos is greater. I don't want to design anything. I just want to copy the CY15r design that already exists onto a real ride cymbal.

What I didn't know was that the CY15r had 2 edge sensors, top and bottom. I don't need a choke on my ride, and I think that is where the edge sensor on mine is now. There must be a way to re-wire, leaving out the choke. In fact, you should be able to make a dual-cable adapter that does the re-wiring for you. You can just plug that adapter into he cymbal and the jacks from the module into the other side of the adapter.

Mesh, is your wiring diagram accurate?

[Meshopotamia]

What I didn't know was that the CY15r had 2 edge sensors, top and bottom.(snipped)

Mesh, is your wiring diagram accurate?

http://ebatuque.com.br/diy-bateria-e...s-t752-30.html

I was in error, there is no bell piezo. Guess I had seen some 3 zone clones that had 2. The bell sensor is a film type?

"Bell Fix Walkthrough"

This one shows it also.

[evilcartman]

Wow. That's a mess. I am wondering why i would want a 15r now. What exactly does it bring to the table that a ST/Jman doesn't? Except for having the defaults made for it not having to assign ride/bell sounds for each kit.

[Sylv1co]

What exactly does it bring to the table that a ST/Jman doesn't?

That's exactly what I said, it bring's nothing more except the positionnal sensing ability. You're right saying that this is the module that brings this ability, but It works only with CY-15 or CY-12. I remember a Digital drummer issue where they compare many electonic cymbals, and only one non-roland cymbal was able to give a good pos sening, an alesis 14 inch rubber ride.

With two piezos (bow and bell) and one switch (edge) you can get the three sounds and choke for each of these three sounds, this how my ride is made. And the fact is that with a piezo under the bell, it's far more sensitive to trigger the bell sound than on a CY15 (Roland ride switch is known to be hard to trigger).
You don't need a second edge switch like on Roland CY-15. This second switch has only one reason to exist : if the user wants to use his cymbal as a two zone (bow and bell, with only one jack), then he don't want to trigger a bell sound by hitting the edge (top edge switch must be inactive), but he still want to be able to choke bow and bell sounds (bottom edge switch must be active).

[evilcartman]

I have also found that using a ST style cymbal does not mean i have to go in and change every preset by assigning bell/edge sounds. It seem to work more or less out of the box once I set the triggers. This is a relief. So I think I am good for my ride.