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  • #31
    Bearing Edge Protection

    Yeah, I don't see a problem with the mesh wearing on the pan any more than on a drum rim. OK ... I've embedded a few pics in this post. You can see with the weather strip in the pics and the pic of the extra threads on my stock drum lugs/screws that there is ample room to add protection for the bearing edge. I have already added the protection, taken the drum apart, put thinner clear 2 sided tape on the rim piezo to increase response, also removed the thicker 2 inch stripping and replaced with a couple layers of some thinner rubber/electrical insulation tape. All these changes meant some changes in trigger parameters ... the pan became more sensitive so I had to decrease both rimshot adjust and rim gain. Although the parameters are a little different the result is basically the same... with a very slight improvement on rimshot sensitivity. And the bearing edge is now protected like the baby's bottom in a nice soft diaper.

    I could tell you where to stick that piezo! ;)
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    • #32
      That looks great Jman. I'm going to have to try the rim piezo change.
      I guess that makes this Drop-in V.3.1
      PS. I really like the finish on those drums... very sharp!
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      • #33
        Originally posted by ChromeBoy View Post
        PS. I really like the finish on those drums... very sharp!
        Yeah, that is one of the 3 extra toms I scoured eBay for... discontinued and very hard to find .... I bought a couple 12's and a 10 to slice on the table saw and build a 12" Aux. snare and a couple timbales for my Kurillian Birch kit ... just like I did for my Birdseye Maple kit ... attached a couple pics. The timbales will have the black hardware to match my congas and bongos in percussion area ... the Aux snare I have chrome hardware for..

        You know that G A S is in control when you have 3ea. 10 Pc kits.... only play one... but still look on eBay for additions to one of the kits you're not playing So eventually I'll get around to slicing and building those....

        I will most likely do my experiments for the rest of the pan project with my Kurillian kit.... So my project list has grown significantly
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        I could tell you where to stick that piezo! ;)
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        • #34
          Originally posted by JmanWord View Post
          You know that G A S is in control when you have 3ea. 10 Pc kits.... only play one... but still look on eBay for additions to one of the kits you're not playing
          1) WOW

          2) In regard to the drop in solution... LOVE IT!!! I may be leaning on/borrow some of your design ideas if you guys don't mind.. (translation: shamelessly copy)

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          • #35
            Quick Video Demo 2 zone Drop in Basket

            I did a quick video demo earlier today after the last mods I described up in the thread. For the heck of it I demoed the response running through the Trigger iO then the TDW-20. The response was actually decent through the iO even though this was not built for that as I would use no larger than 27MM piezos for the iO. I set the sensitivity to 0 on head and rim on the iO, adjusted for Threshold and Crosstalk, .... not bad. Even though I have not built a trigger system for the DM10 ... I know from demoing at NAMM and Hellfire's comments on it handling dual piezo pads well... this one could work quite well for that module too, most likely with similar build to the iO...

            Nuttin special, but a quick demo.... my DSL connection sucks, I have a dead home phone line and DSL is up for a few minutes at a time at best, but I did manage to upload the vid... that's what a little more rain than normal does to our phone lines here in SoCal... and it is a week wait for the backed up techs to get to it .... never rains in Cal. IT POURS!
            I could tell you where to stick that piezo! ;)
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            • #36
              Originally posted by evil1rox View Post
              1) WOW

              2) In regard to the drop in solution... LOVE IT!!! I may be leaning on/borrow some of your design ideas if you guys don't mind.. (translation: shamelessly copy)

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              Go for it E... I should have a new set of pans Mon. So, I'll post how those fit. With the dif pans available on line and not being able to try before we buy, we are still testing the brands to see what fits the best. And I'm sure we will develope these as we go, but I'll be glad to provide a parts list so far, and am sure CB would too... pretty short list really, You can just about pick it all out by the photos.... Like I say though, since CB has already found some pans that fit and I have a set coming .... I'll let ya know... I already talked to the guy at the baking supply shop and told him not to be surprised if his sales on cake pans start to increase
              I could tell you where to stick that piezo! ;)
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              • #37
                I had plans for 1 of these, same shape, a vac formed abs solution back in 2008 but the unit cost would have been silly and patent issues, nice to see a tidy diy solution. The Vdrum forum once again shows the big boys how it's done
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                • #38
                  This is an awesome solution and dam that tom looks nice.
                  Well done.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by JmanWord View Post
                    You can just about pick it all out by the photos....
                    You give me far too much credit JMan..lol.

                    Seriously though thank you. This will be a fin project to mess with. I had been screwing with the idea of convering my Gretsch kit but... I love that kit and don't want to do any serious modifications to the shells at all! The pics are pretty easy to follow so I may forge ahead, but a parts list would be truly appreciated.

                    Great work from both you and CB!!



                    Originally posted by JmanWord View Post
                    Like I say though, since CB has already found some pans that fit and I have a set coming .... I'll let ya know... I already talked to the guy at the baking supply shop and told him not to be surprised if his sales on cake pans start to increase
                    I wonder if he'll give you a deal on multiple pans? Such as what if you buy...(wait for it.....)

                    -A baker's dozen.


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                    • #40
                      Great Video Jerry, works perfectly especially for someone that wants to just diy and drop it in. Thanks for the vid, T

                      A Quick question, does the link to the cake pan supply place supply the exact pans that you used in the pictures with the 10" you converted? Looks like a perfect fit and I would want to use the exact pans if possible. T
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                      • #41
                        This gives new meaning to "banging on pie pans"
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                        • #42
                          Great video Jman. Thanks for trying it out with the Trigger I/O as well. I know more and more people are starting to use that TMI.
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                          • #43
                            Great video Jman!
                            Tom, as far as I know Jman is still using the 9x2" pan I sent him. I bought it thru this place:
                            http://www.fantes.com/cake-pans-round.html#2
                            I bought my entire set from here. As I mentioned, with my tom shells, the larger the pan, the tighter the fit, so I ended up using different thicknesses of weather stripping around the pan itself to tighten the pan in the shell. Jman's method of placing the smaller weather stripping immediately below the rim seems like a more universal option, plus by the looks of things, it triggers great. Some of the fit may depend on the thickness of your shells and the style/cut of bearing edge too.
                            As an option you can check these. I used one for my V1 and V2 builds (before I ordered a set from Fantes.com) and they fit fine.
                            http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ndingMethod=rr
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                            • #44
                              So my scheduled del of those Fat Daddio pans is Mon. then I can check to see how they compare as far as fit. I've done quite a bit of internet searching and have found a few stores and a few brands of round cake pans. These are 16 gauge aluminum and definitely different than the ones CB has tried, the Fantes are 18 gauge, so I'm rolling the dice here.... on a side note, if they do fit, I found that they actually do make a 17" pan which should fit an 18" drum in this Fat Daddio line though they don't carry it where I bought these.... they can be had... Hopefully this batch will fit as they say "No Returns on Pans so choose carefully"
                              My purchase decision on these was simple.... I'm cheap .... these were the cheapest I could find on the net with an additional 10% discount on orders over $59 .... that is what motivated me to buy every size at once to do a complete 9 pc. kit. Turns out they should be pretty sturdy with the slightly heavier gauge aluminum which might be good on the largest drums, so if all fits that will be great... I should know Monday.
                              I could tell you where to stick that piezo! ;)
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                              • #45
                                Just a side note to JMan:

                                I think your washer/dryer have more pics on teh internets than Pam Anderson's boobs.

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