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  • Originally posted by racer52 View Post
    All 3 segments are up on you tube... complete with more plugs for you, chromeboy, and jmanword, as well as a good dose of reference to vdrums.com.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Saqmg...eature=channel
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMfSj...eature=channel
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWXSr...eature=channel
    Nice Racer52! I love the cake pan design, and your implementation of it is extremely clean! I never cared much for the cross bar design as it is very labor intensive. This way looks extremely simple to do. GREAT VIDS!

    J
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    • I just watch the other two videos. Great job!
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      • AWESOME Vids! Are your rims "bare", or do you have clear tubing on them?
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        • thank you all for the kind comments. I really like the clean simple, easy to understand cake pan concept, so I thought I would offer my build to the list of supporters. Many thanks to JmanWord and Chromeboy for this thread and to the earlier work of Hellfire on the similar concept.

          My next version will combine all of thier ideas and I'll build a cake pan drop in reflection plate e conversion.

          Originally posted by fulrmr(Daniel) View Post
          AWESOME Vids! Are your rims "bare", or do you have clear tubing on them?
          Daniel - my mini kit has clear vinyl on the toms and rubber U-channel on the rim of my 12" snare. I'll eventually go to all rubber on the rims when I find a souce for the type of rubber my friend gave me. All of these are built using the cross brace technique, with rim trigger on the shell of the drum.

          the 3 part video is actually the first of the cake pan drums I have built. This drum has no protection on the rim yet and triggers the rim too loud for my taste when connected to my snare input (TD-20) with no setting changes. I like the play and feel of the rubber U channel on the snare but prefer the look of the clear tube that is on my toms.

          I'll post more on rim dressings after I play around with the cake pan drum a bit

          First I want to finnish the 'No Bolt' cake pan drop in. I posted a video on this just last night as I was dry fitting the parts in the cake pan. The vid shows some memory foam and 3M HighBond tape as the 'mount' - It just clears the top of the cake pan with a couple of mm adjustment to spare
          see it here:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-V2TpmdjG0
          TD-20 (non expanded), acoustic look DIY a to e conversion - some cake pan/ some crossbar method. DIY cymbals, VH-12 :-)
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          • Kudos to you, Hellfire, Jman, chromeboy, and all others, for the SIMPLEST
            dual zone A to E pad conversion yet!

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            • Hmm, interesting. I would imagine that the 360 degree rim triggering effect would be ever so slightly distorted when introducing a rectangular platform mounted like that, but in a practical sense it is probably not very noticeable at all if any. Certainly much easier than drilling holes, that's for sure.
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              • Today I went shopping and found a cheap cake pan, it's 9'' x 1''. After drilling out the cake cutter I placed it in a 10'' drum. It fits like a glove, it could only shift a little.
                A piezo and jack will be installed when I have the time for it.

                I do have a few questions about this whole cake pan thing.
                The head sits on the rim of the cake pan, the pan's rim is roughly 8 mm. Is this okay? (I also made a picture of this.)
                Why do you use tape to protect the edge of the tom? Is this to have a chance of turning the e-drum back to an a-drum?

                I go the cake pan at Blokker for 3 euro. This info is only useful for Dutch users.


                Here are some pictures of my cake pan drum.
                Attached Files
                My kit: Yamaha DD-75.

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                • I thought of a variance for a "QUICK and CLEAN" A to E Reversible DIY DIP (drop-in pan) MONO pad, which combines Mikejl46's design: http://www.edrums.info/mc.htm
                  but putting the portable pad into a 9" pan, in a 10" drum, with mesh head and standard drum hoop.
                  You would only need to make one small hole on the side of the pan so the 1/8" jack plug can fit through. I would also recommend a rubber grommet to protect
                  the cable from rubbing against the cut hole. And also, a cable hold down clamp, so
                  the cable won't be stressed if pulled accidentally.

                  Rotate the pad so that it's cable junction is offset slightly from the pan hole, so
                  that the pad's cable can run through the cable hold down clamp, which is bolted to
                  the pan with a small bolt going from the outside of the pan to inside.
                  Next, run the cable through the grommet and put the pan on the drum. The cord
                  can dangle below the pan(it can stretch to around 30"), so no separate jack needs to be cut into the drum shell.

                  If I get time to try this, I'll post some pics. So, anyone who can,
                  please test it out, and report back.

                  What appeals to me, is the simplicity and the quick A to E reversibility, while
                  not requiring any drilling or modification to the drum shell (other than some
                  bearing edge protection from the pan).

                  Of course, this same concept could also be applied to a Dual Piezo, raising the portable pad with (Racer52's design) memory foam to clear the center piezo.
                  The portable pad has some built-in shock isolation, which could only help.
                  The only involved part would be combining the center piezo wiring with the pad's
                  1.8" plug, but shouldn't be difficult.

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                  • Actually, if you are building split drums with no bottom head, you don't even need to put a jack in the shell, it can go directly in the pan for simplicity:
                    http://vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php...&postcount=109
                    I could tell you where to stick that piezo! ;)
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                    • Originally posted by JmanWord View Post
                      Actually, if you are building split drums with no bottom head, you don't even need to put a jack in the shell, it can go directly in the pan for simplicity:
                      http://vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php...&postcount=109

                      Absolutely ! that is the ultimate drop in - no damage to the donor drum

                      but you know how it is with us...wegottatinker I really love this cakepan build method - thanks ChromeBoy and JmanWord

                      I just can't leave well enough alone -so here it is- the video of the completed, no bolts or wires out the bottom, jack through the side, double face tape mounted, dual trigger with pos'n sensing, cake pan drop in mod.

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzMSLZtgl-Y

                      photos of build at;
                      http://s814.photobucket.com/albums/z...um%20projects/
                      Last edited by racer52; 06-14-10, 10:08 PM.
                      TD-20 (non expanded), acoustic look DIY a to e conversion - some cake pan/ some crossbar method. DIY cymbals, VH-12 :-)
                      .
                      Psalm 150
                      had the best times with this band https://www.facebook.com/SaintHooliganMusic
                      YouTube video postings: https://www.youtube.com/user/racer52online/videos
                      Vdrums Photo Albums: http://www.vdrums.com/member/26923-racer52/media

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                      • Thanks for the great invention.
                        I am considering an A2E project but would like to be able to reverse the drum back to acoustic.

                        Is the cake pan going to damage the bearing edge?

                        My guess is, if the pan sits on the down slope of the bearing edge, it should be ok. If it sits right on the tip of the bearing edge, that will be painful.

                        Thanks in advance!

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                        • Originally posted by r_cc_c View Post
                          Thanks for the great invention.
                          I am considering an A2E project but would like to be able to reverse the drum back to acoustic.

                          Is the cake pan going to damage the bearing edge?

                          My guess is, if the pan sits on the down slope of the bearing edge, it should be ok. If it sits right on the tip of the bearing edge, that will be painful.

                          Thanks in advance!
                          As long as you put a good barrier between the bearing edge and the pan, there will be no damage. In this thread they use electrical tape and/or weatherstripping, although I prefer vinyl myself.
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                          • Thanks Cheapthrill! - A2E Project starts soon

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                            • I'm working on a 'DDZT' (Drop-in Dual Zone Trigger) as well. Got a pan with straight sides and didn't fancy 'brutalizing' it to fit around the lug-bolts. This is what I did;
                              http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost...18&postcount=8
                              Hope this is of some use to someone else.
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                              • Can we make this thread into a sticky - I think it's self-contained enough to justify it, plus it's a great little source of info and a really interesting read as a piece of R&D
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