Cymbal Rubber.....?

[BeyondStupidity]

Right now i have my cymbals put together with a 1/8" layer of rubber foam on them, but, the foam doesnt seem dense enough to stop the stick nose from going right through it. I have these nice acrylic cymbals

But i can find any nice black gum rubber to go on them. Its either the wrong stuff or its tan and white which would clash really bad with the cymbals and set. Any good links or suggestions?

Oh, and the other thing is I need some killer red tape. I know I saw a link on here somewhere but i cant seem to find it again.

[daveybabes]

http://www.speedpress.com/search.asp (search for Killer Red Tape)

Probably need about 2mm thickness of Neoprene rubber or clear PVC to stop that stick sound.

[cheapthrill]

You can get sheets of neoprene from McMaster-Carr in different thicknesses, with or without adhesive backing. I believe that they are already black too.

[BeyondStupidity]

http://www.speedpress.com/search.asp (search for Killer Red Tape)

Probably need about 2mm thickness of Neoprene rubber or clear PVC to stop that stick sound.

2mm is all the thickness i would need? that seems really thin to me. have you tried it? I havent got my hands on a Visualite(Pintech's acrylic cymbals with the rubber on top) cymbal to see, feel, or hear what they are like so i cant say.

Edit: and thanks for the Killer tape link!

[Jemmo]

2mm is too thin.
I have some 4mm foam on a real cymbal and it's still clangy.
I found the best thing to use is an old rubber (not neoprene) drum silencer pad cut to suit.

[BeyondStupidity]

Yeah, i have 1/8" (3.17mm) layer of rubber foam on right now. I'm just thinking its the problem is with the foam not the neoprene.

What is the thickness of the old drum silencer you are using?

[BeyondStupidity]

anyone know how thick the rubber on the PD pads is? I'd kinda like that feel to them.

[evil1rox]

How silent are you trying to be...???

The rubber type stuff on top of Hart cymbals feels really good, is thin (probably 2-3 mm) and works well. You'll stick get stick noise though with that thickness. It might not be extreme as Hart cymbals are metal and yours are not...(and don't get me wrong the Hart cymbals are not that loud, but obviously louder than say a Roland. You can hear the attack in the next room, but it's not terrible.)

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[BeyondStupidity]

ok, well i guess it would be a good idea to tell you how quiet i need my set to be. Here is the situation, i play in a pretty small church and we have a small stage but we dont put the drums on it so they are like 10ft away from the front row of seats so when we're playing quiet songs i need it to be quiet enough so that you cant hear the stick noise over the speaker sound. Also the other setting i'm in is playing in a large room with one stereo mixing speaker and people standing like right next to me. So if i could get the noise down to Roland level or quieter that would we awesome.

[cheapthrill]

So if i could get the noise down to Roland level or quieter that would we awesome.

Non-profit organizations like churches can write off expenses for many things including instruments. I Don't know what kind of budget your church has, but I would just try to get them to buy you some Roland cymbals, maybe talk about it with the treasurer. The only catch is that they would be church property and technically have to remain there. As for getting quieter than Roland, I have yet to hear anything as quiet. Maybe you can set up a donation box for cymbal funds with a brief explanation...even if it would only help you buy the dampening rubber that you are inquiring about in this thread.

I would like to know more about "PD" grade rubber myself.

[BeyondStupidity]

Non-profit organizations like churches can write off expenses for many things including instruments. I Don't know what kind of budget your church has, but I would just try to get them to buy you some Roland cymbals, maybe talk about it with the treasurer. The only catch is that they would be church property and technically have to remain there. As for getting quieter than Roland, I have yet to hear anything as quiet. Maybe you can set up a donation box for cymbal funds with a brief explanation...even if it would only help you buy the dampening rubber that you are inquiring about in this thread.

Yeah, it would be nice to have roland cymbals but this is my personal set that i use for church and a bunch of other things so church is just one of the many things i do with my drums. What i have right now is 5 cymbals(2cr, 1ride, 2aux) and HHs so thats a couple CY's and maybe a VH so it would be around $500-800 and i wouldnt be able to say i had made them myself
I think i'll just put a good layer of rubber on em and see how that works.

[Rocky_Roll]

If you don't mind sharing, where did you score the black acrylic cymbals and how much?

Thanks in advance

[Gastric]

I had some Pintec Visulite cymbals on my first kit and they were definitely louder than my acoustic conversions. The stick noise on the acrylic is sharper and cuts more where the acoustics are more dull. I'm not sure about the actual db levels but the pitch and attack of the acrylics was simply more irritating.

[BeyondStupidity]

If you don't mind sharing, where did you score the black acrylic cymbals and how much?

Thanks in advance

I made them, you can read about how i did it and what i used here:http://vdrums.com/forum/showthread.p...hlight=acrylic

The Acrylic was a bit over $100 (enough to make 1 18" ride, 4 16" crash a set of 14 inch HH's and a few splashes)

just needed a heat gun (ebay $20 ish)

and a acoustic cymbal (i used a ride a friend lent me)

[BeyondStupidity]

I had some Pintec Visulite cymbals on my first kit and they were definitely louder than my acoustic conversions. The stick noise on the acrylic is sharper and cuts more where the acoustics are more dull. I'm not sure about the actual db levels but the pitch and attack of the acrylics was simply more irritating.

So you think it may be that the acrylic is just overall a little more noisy then. I was orignally intending to cover the whole cymbals with rubber but then i switched to just the hitting aria but i have my whole ride covered and it seems to be pretty quiet other then when i hit it hard and the stick noise goes all the way through the foam rubber. Oh, the other thing is the edge switch that i'm using seems to be pretty loud on the crashes, its the metal sheets hitting together that causes a fairly loud "thwap," any ideas on how to silence that?