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    Hi folks,

    New chap here ~ just signed-up after lurking for a while (& reading just about every post about cones, piezos and mesh heads on here recently!). Did a quick intro in the Foyer earlier so now down here >>> to business!

    Have been learning to drum on a TD3 for nearly a year now and, being much better at making things than drumming, I reckon it's time to give some DIY eDrums a go. Get the message that I should start with some single trigger toms intially ~ to replace the solid rubber pads / learn a little about this DIY black art (then move onto a dual trigger snare, Positional Detection, upgrade to a TD12 module etc... maybe next week).

    Have done a deal of homework on this and have got my plan of attack pretty well decided, just have a couple of decisions to make that I'd really appreciate some help with. I understand that a lot of this comes down to personal preference / find what works for you (doesn't mean anyone else's way is right/wrong, better/worse) etc; but it would be great to get some thoughts from you all on these 2 choices I'm still considering:

    Firstly piezos... should I just buy Roland at ~10* the price of Maplin (UK version of Radio Shack)? Have seen comments about poor quality of Maplin piezos ~ wires falling off / need re-soldering ~ but is there anything else wrong with them other than that... once you've soldered the wires back on are they functionally inferior to Roland's own in any way?

    Secondly... what mesh heads? Wanting to get something good seems to bring me to Roland's own or Hart Magnum, but not wanting to spend more than neccessary makes me wonder if Drum-tec Pro are a good mid-value option???

    ... all thoughts on the above will be much appreciated, will go into the melting pot and help me decide what to try as my first iteration (obviously I'm aiming for impossible first time hit on the ideal compromise between spending hours on the ultra-budget option that takes huge amounts of trial & error / fine tuning, but then not throwing money at top-of-the-range when something cheaper works every bit as well).

    many thanks
    Nick

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    Hi Nick

    I just ordered Roland cones bout £4.80 each, wider foam tape from maplins, piezo's off ebay 99p pack of 3 (different sizes) drum tec own brand white double ply mesh heads bout 7 euros but postage is more than head so i got 2. (these heads are tough)

    Piezo is a piezo, use some hot glue or a dab of superglue to secure the wires, i then soldered some Maplins wire to extend them and used some heat shrink sleeving (nice and neat)

    Used a floor tom leg mount bracket to make a bracket for my diy snare (lodsadrumstuff) £4.99
    http://www.loadsadrumstuff.co.uk/use...s/procart8.htm halfway down page.

    Check mysics Fred A to E thread, some nice pics there.

    Dave

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    • #3
      I use DIY mesh heads out of insect screen and i still havent broken any yet, and thats using single ply. And as mentioned above, just a tiny bit of glue on the maplin piezos seem to do the job and stop the wires falling off
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      • #4
        I'd go with the maplins ones and glue the back (well i have).

        as for the mesh i ripped a t-drum single ply so whatever you go for make sure its either thick or double ply.

        i've got a roland head on my snare now and i'd recomend that. it takes the majority of the hits so worth spending a bit more on.

        good luck with it.


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        • #5
          Hi Nick,
          A couple comments on your questions, for what it's worth...

          Firstly piezos... should I just buy Roland at ~10* the price of Maplin (UK version of Radio Shack)? Have seen comments about poor quality of Maplin piezos ~ wires falling off / need re-soldering ~ but is there anything else wrong with them other than that... once you've soldered the wires back on are they functionally inferior to Roland's own in any way?
          I'm not familiar with Maplin piezos, but I've used 27, 35, and 44 mm piezos from DigiKey and looked at the Radio Shack piezo (can't remember the part#) that many use and I've come to the conclusion that for this application there is not enough difference in piezos to be concerned about. Sure, different sizes have different resonant frequencies and possibly different output voltage vs force input characteristics, but this can be compensated for by the electronics you use. That's why modules have adjustable sensitivity, scan time, etc.

          Secondly... what mesh heads? Wanting to get something good seems to bring me to Roland's own or Hart Magnum, but not wanting to spend more than neccessary makes me wonder if Drum-tec Pro are a good mid-value option???
          I'm still doing my A to E conversion so I don't have a whole lot of experience yet, but I am using Pearl mesh heads, the ones designed for the Rhythm Traveler kit. I looked at Roland, but I don't think they had the sizes I needed. Also looked at Hart but they were crazy expensive. Figured I try the Pearl heads since they were easily obtainable and I got decent feedback from someone whose daughter uses them on a practice kit. I've mounted them on two drums and played with them a little, they seem OK. You need to consider what kind of player you are, i.e., how hard you hit, especially the snare, when choosing heads. This is true for acoustic and electronic kits. I've played drums since 1964 (concert band, orchestra, rock bands, blues bands, drum corps, blah blah blah) and the only drum head I've ever broken was an accident in transport. But I consider myself to be more of a finesse player and less of a "power" player.

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          • #6
            Thanks for the info guys.
            Looking at the drum-tec.de site again, ref the choices of meshheads (they seem to have most complete range in Europe) I just noticed their new Pro-Series (http://www.osc.drum-tec.de/sets-drumtec-c-79_113.html) ~ wow! Best looking commercial eDrums I've seen yet.
            If I had loads of dosh (& no incurable urge to make stuff of my own) I reckon I'd be right on to them. Anyone got any experience of drum-tec stuff / how good their triggering is etc???
            Nick

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