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  • #46
    I guess if I can find a laptop with a good processor, then I don't need to splash out on the SSD and RAM again because I can just move those across... right?

    Originally posted by perceval View Post
    RME is usually the golden ticket.
    I found a little unit called the uDSD from NuPrime, and their drivers are top notch.
    It's $200, with no inputs. Only stereo RCA and headphones out.

    But, in latency, it beats any other $200 to $500 sound card I've ever had.
    So to explain my situation a bit more, within the studio setting this laptop does absolutely nothing but run the drums. I have a PC specialist laptop for everything else. I use a USB>MIDI adaptor to send that to the main laptop's Reaper (to reconfigure drums in post) and a single stereo channel of audio into the main mixer's RCA (a soundcraft MTK12) for live monitoring/audio capture. The reason I have this is that if one laptop goes down we don't lose both the synths AND the drums, and it's just a cleaner set up with all the MIDI translations going on.

    So with that in mind this nuprime thing looks like a solid bet, as the drum PC just doesn't need audio inputs. Would you know what the output ms count is Perceval?
    Last edited by GreasyBumpkin; 12-02-19, 11:34 AM.

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    • #47
      Focusrite, M-Audio, Presonus, Beringher and the likes are looking at mass-producing their products... if there's a flaw, they'll just discontinue the product and move on.
      So, it's a bit of hit-and-miss... You might get lucky with a unit, or get stranded with a door-stopper.
      hey perceval. most of the advice i’ve read from you on the forums is excellent. it’s a few years since i’ve done serious research on focusrite, but i’ve never read a bad word about them on any forum, or heard anything but praise by word of mouth either. my own experience has been excellent. unless something has changed dramatically recently it’s pretty wide of the mark to be grouping them with behringer.

      i have no commercial interest in focusrite.

      peace
      Roland TD9 (KD8, FD9) > Scarlett 6i6 > imac, Superior Drummer 3, Logic // Yamaha DTX Multi12 (KT10, HH65, TP100) > Scarlett 2i4 > macbook, SD3 // Zendrum EXP > Stompblock, macbook, SD3 // Yamaha HS7s, Yamaha DBR10, ATH-M30x // A-Kits: DIY compact kit, Mapex Meridian // Cymbals: Zildjian Ks, some As & Sabians & ...

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      • #48
        Lol jackodrum. Yeah actually... I can't let that slide either lol. Putting our glorious English audio company in the same sentence as Beringher... disgraceful! You insult me good sir!

        More seriously, I think mentioned once here about being careful writing off an entire companies product catalog even if you detest the brand.

        I.e. You wouldn't avoid Pearl for the eMerge and walk straight past the Mimic Pro when we know entirely different teams of people developed these products.

        GreasyBumpkin, thanks for the info; I think getting an audio interface would be a good idea. That way you can further reduce latency for live triggering and get rid of the MIDI adapter if you want to chain them up and record from this "PC specialist" laptop on a different channel as the synth at the same time.
        ♦ Diamond Drums 4pc in Di-Noc carbon ♦ MegaDRUM + Roland UA-1010 / cymbals / KT-10 (x2) ♦ Tama / Gibraltar hardware ♦ JBL LSR3 Series 2.1 Monitoring
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        • #49
          Sorry all... Didn't mean to imply that the whole range of any of those companies is bad.
          I just put them together as they all make pretty big production runs to keep cost of their products low.
          Sometimes, things happen, either foreseen or not, and it's to late to halt production, and the resulting product is a dud.

          It's true that I haven't heard many bad things from Focusrite, as compared to others.
          They do seem to have more reliability.

          Didnt mean to offend.
          And I'm glad you have good Focusrite units to play with.

          I'll be more careful next time!
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          • #50
            Zoom are known for decent low latency drivers on budget equipment as well. I have a zoom live track l-20 and latency is really good. I bought it for live but sold my old Yamaha FireWire n12 when I realised how good the zoom was.
            Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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            • #51
              For what it’s worth, I ran a Focusrite Clarett 4pre over USB-C until just recently and had no issues. Ended up putting an RME HDSPe AIO in my SD3 box and moved my Clarett over to another studio rig. My personal experience has been great with both, but will admit that the RME does outperform the Focusrite due to a couple of points - 1 being that it’s an onboard interface vs USB, and 2 being that the drivers do seem to be more stable at lower sample buffers and higher rates.

              Anyway, main takeaway is that both companies are solid options - at least from my experience.
              Roland TD-30 & TM-6 Modules | Superior Drummer 3 on PC | Tama Superstar Hyper-Drive Maple A2E w/ R-Drums Triggers | ATV aD Cymbals | ACD Unlimited Pedals | Tama & Gibraltar HW | RME HDSPe AIO | Mackie ProFX10v3 | Simmons DA200S Monitor | V-MODA Crossfade M-100 OEMs & Westone UM Pro 50 IEMs

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              • #52
                With all interfaces everyone is championing here, are you all playing edrums comfortably in time while using your interface? You're not mentally/consciously adjusting to the latency at all?

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                • #53
                  Roland Octa-Capture. Choice between it or the RME Babyface but I got 25% off the UA-1010 so it was a decision made easier. I actually needed more outputs than the Babyface offered in the end. SD3 indicated Output latency: 1.3 ms Buffer latency: 1.1 ms at 32 samples or about 4 ms tested RTL. The distance I am from my speakers is a larger latency problem than my interface.
                  ♦ Diamond Drums 4pc in Di-Noc carbon ♦ MegaDRUM + Roland UA-1010 / cymbals / KT-10 (x2) ♦ Tama / Gibraltar hardware ♦ JBL LSR3 Series 2.1 Monitoring
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                  • #54
                    I’m using 64 buffers with the zoom and I’m not kidding myself that it is fine. If I put buffers up to 96 I can tell the difference. I would have to go a lot higher to make me play out of time. With the 64k buffers it feels really snappy. My brain is not compensating.
                    Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by mkok View Post
                      I’m using 64 buffers with the zoom and I’m not kidding myself that it is fine. If I put buffers up to 96 I can tell the difference. I would have to go a lot higher to make me play out of time. With the 64k buffers it feels really snappy. My brain is not compensating.
                      Thanks for clarifying. I looked up the zoom and it looks like a fully fledged mixer which would be overkill for me (already have a mixer for a different purpose), is there a smaller version of this interface?

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by GreasyBumpkin View Post

                        Thanks for clarifying. I looked up the zoom and it looks like a fully fledged mixer which would be overkill for me (already have a mixer for a different purpose), is there a smaller version of this interface?
                        Yes I wasn’t suggesting you get what I have. I was just explaining that I definitely could get low latency with what I use. Saying that do some searches on zoom and low latency as I think the simple U-24 is supposed to be good. I haven’t used it though.
                        Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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                        • #57
                          Didnt mean to offend.
                          And I'm glad you have good Focusrite units to play with.
                          all good
                          Roland TD9 (KD8, FD9) > Scarlett 6i6 > imac, Superior Drummer 3, Logic // Yamaha DTX Multi12 (KT10, HH65, TP100) > Scarlett 2i4 > macbook, SD3 // Zendrum EXP > Stompblock, macbook, SD3 // Yamaha HS7s, Yamaha DBR10, ATH-M30x // A-Kits: DIY compact kit, Mapex Meridian // Cymbals: Zildjian Ks, some As & Sabians & ...

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                          • #58
                            With all interfaces everyone is championing here, are you all playing edrums comfortably in time while using your interface? You're not mentally/consciously adjusting to the latency at all?
                            i can’t tell you anything about the latency numbers. i’ve been playing a-drums for decades, e-drums for over a decade, vst for a few years. i’ve experienced latency and don’t like it. with my set up, i plug it all in and switch it on. i hit the drums. i hear them. i like it.

                            i’m sure i could get as good / better results with other interfaces but i don’t need anything better. i use / have used my set ups for personal practice, band rehearsal, playing along to recorded music, recording midi, recording analogue
                            Last edited by jackodrum; 12-07-19, 11:40 PM.
                            Roland TD9 (KD8, FD9) > Scarlett 6i6 > imac, Superior Drummer 3, Logic // Yamaha DTX Multi12 (KT10, HH65, TP100) > Scarlett 2i4 > macbook, SD3 // Zendrum EXP > Stompblock, macbook, SD3 // Yamaha HS7s, Yamaha DBR10, ATH-M30x // A-Kits: DIY compact kit, Mapex Meridian // Cymbals: Zildjian Ks, some As & Sabians & ...

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                            • #59
                              Hey everyone.

                              So on interfaces, I bought a Zoom U-24 on Amazon as it was going for a bargain, downloaded it's ASIO driver, set it to 90k 24 bit, 64 buffer and it seems to work a treat! As of yet no crackling issues, there was a bit of latency when set to different sampling rates.

                              Zoom also has a MIDI interface that unlike the UMC actually shows up on Bome and other software so now I can port MIDI over to my DAW laptop for editing drums in post.

                              Now that's one hurdle over and I feel that I can more accurately dial in megadrum now, I did actually discover something today:

                              ​​​​​​My snare wasn't doing too well, dynamics were all over the place and cross talk was causing a lot of dud hits (like hitting the centre and getting a rim note at a paltry velocity of 10 or less).

                              The reason this was happening was because when using auto-high on the rim peizo I was getting 250 at a gain level of 4 and this is below recommended. I had to max the gain to get the 500-900 range, so I've lowered the gain and just let the high sit at 250, which has helped a lot. Are there any potential consequences of this?

                              Also, does anyone find positional sensing a bit off? It feels accurate after some dialing but it's how velocity just trails off the further from the centre you move.

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                              • #60
                                You've got a 14 inch Jobeky snare so it's likely that velocity is going to trail off more than it does on my 12 inch Diamond snare near the edge. I would really tighten the mesh head as it could be a hot spot problem. But gain and sensitivity go hand in hand. There's nothing wrong with having low high level. My Diamond also performs better at gain 0 (554) than gain 4. Even though there is technically larger dynamics available at gain 4 with a high level near 1000 - the margin of error also increases drastically and is the equivalent of increasing the contrast on a picture. Where as, if you lower the gain, the middle range becomes more linear, it lessens the hot spot and you have more velocity control back.
                                ♦ Diamond Drums 4pc in Di-Noc carbon ♦ MegaDRUM + Roland UA-1010 / cymbals / KT-10 (x2) ♦ Tama / Gibraltar hardware ♦ JBL LSR3 Series 2.1 Monitoring
                                Community Drum Module Document
                                PA Specifications (wip)

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