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  • #16
    Hmm..

    The programming of the MegaDRUM could be challenging but not impossible. Here is an old video clip with me playing with a MegaDRUM, AD2 on a MacBook. (I think it is triggering great)

    https://youtu.be/6zPP11_ATnA

    Anders Gronlund / www.zourman.com
    Pearl CrystalBeat and Sonor Safari, Roland CY-14/13R/15R/12CR, RT-10x,2xBT-1,VH-11/12/13 & KD-10, Quartz, Pintech Dingbat, Triggera D14,D11, ATV AD-h14, 120MHz MegaDRUM with PS board, 2box 5&3, dd4SE, TD-9, Addictive Drums 2.1.8. All ADpaks, Microsoft Surface PRO, Macbook, Pearl Throne Thumper, Zourman HH & Ride Conv Kit www.zourman.com

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    • #17
      Originally posted by angr77 View Post
      The programming of the MegaDRUM could be challenging but not impossible.
      I think he have his own product in mind instead programming on an existent one, he said he wants something small and simple, though I agree that having an all in one product instead a trigger expansion apart as expansion for an existent module could be a better solution, but at that point MegaDrum is already there.
      ...otherwise contact me if anyone wants to create a simplified (and opensource) MegaDrum software

      yeahtuna : what programming language are you using for the UI? I use Qt and C++ currently.
      Last edited by redtide; 10-25-18, 09:44 PM.
      Roland TD-12 module, MegaDrum Trigger module, DIY DareStone CLDRUMWH A2E drum conversion, DIY rack using Dixon clamps, Pearl P-932 double pedal, DIY A2E Chang dual zone cymbals.

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      • #18
        I'm programming in C++ in the hardware and software. I'm leaning to start with something small and simple to produce. It that's sustainable, perhaps something will more inputs.

        If I go with something small, I want it to be as compact as possible. How do people feel about a 3.5mm TRS MIDI jacks?

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        • #19
          I know the 3.5mm jacks are small and compact, but I prefer the 6.3mm also because I have a lot of them

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          • #20
            Originally posted by yeahtuna View Post
            If I go with something small, I want it to be as compact as possible. How do people feel about a 3.5mm TRS MIDI jacks?
            Not much reliable/robust for a musical instrument. I wanted to use them for my cymbals but in the end I agree with some people that told me that after some time you will get contact problems and the like. I use them only for my little "e-splashes".
            Roland TD-12 module, MegaDrum Trigger module, DIY DareStone CLDRUMWH A2E drum conversion, DIY rack using Dixon clamps, Pearl P-932 double pedal, DIY A2E Chang dual zone cymbals.

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            • #21
              I've started to use mini-xlr connectors with my own stuff. Small-sized and reliable. For small signals even 1/4" TRS can be problematic contact-wise.
              gear: MarkDrum YES e-kit highly modified (low-volume trigger cymbals, 16" DIY kick, 12" DIY snare + tom 3, Goedrum HH controller), Triggera 10" splash
              band: http://theboardmusic.com

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              • #22
                I just happened onto this thread and I have a few ideas. First, my background....I used to be the VP for the Americas for Steinberg Media Technology.....so i happen to know a little bit about selling/marketing hardware/software in this space. First, given the movement for e-drums to move to software based platforms for sounds, I feel there is absolutely a market for a reliable, easy to program trigger to MIDI interfaces.....at the right price. I know that the Ddrums DDTI and Alesis IO are out there but apparently they have spotty reputation for being reliable and easy to program. So here are my product thoughts:

                Entry level product priced between US$125 and US$195.

                Compatible with a wide range of drum triggers, especially the plethora of Piezo based clip-on and "built in" mechanisms available (Ddrum, Drum-Tec, Jobeky, Convertible Percussion, etc.). There seems to be a wide range of DIY drum triggers out there. Testing with a couple of these would be wise as well. See: http://www.v-drumtips.com/projects/flextrigger-system/

                Expandable architecture. Let entry level drummers buy a base unit, then buy an expansion unit as they increase the size of their kits. Have the units "gangable" for additional trigger inputs. In this manner, you can address multiple market segments with just 1 product.

                No snake cables. TRS 6.35mm trigger inputs. Follow the industry standard

                No specialty MIDI connectors. Use robust 5-pin DIN sockets AND provide for USB. In certain instances latency via USB can be WORSE than 5-pin DIN, depending on the architecture of the host computer.

                Fast trigger sensing. Given today's electronics, the majority of the latency should be via the computer/software....not the trigger interface.

                Simple, graphical programming/setup interface via computer. Connect via network or USB. I would prefer a IP based HTML "editor" but I'm not sure what that would add to the product cost. Better yet...a BlueTooth connection that would allow computers, tablets, or smartphones to make trigger adjustments.

                "Happy Lights" on the face of the unit for visual indication that trigger signals are being received and MIDI is being sent. No need for a elaborate front panel LCD panel or a lot of buttons. A graphical representation of how strong the incoming trigger"hit" is via a thermometer bar in a HTML GUI would be best.

                Presets to store trigger parameters either as individual drums or as complete kits.

                Downloadable "presets" profiles for the popular drums and cymbals.

                USB bus power or wall wart as an option. You will need the wall wart for people choosing to hook it up via 5 pin MIDI.

                Hi Hat controller input.

                TRS cymbal inputs that can be ganged to service 3-zone/choke cymbals which require 2 jacks.

                TRS drum inputs for dual zone drums.

                I would buy such a unit tonight if I could find one with a good market acceptance and solid reputation for triggering reliably for under $200.

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                • #23
                  Here's where I'm at with the hardware. The TRS MIDI can also be swapped out for a full size 5 pin MIDI, but the device would need to be significantly thicker (still not sure how to proceed) . I will post a video in the coming weeks to give you an idea of how the software works and the triggering performance.

                  MED Overview.png
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by yeahtuna View Post
                    Here's where I'm at with the hardware. The TRS MIDI can also be swapped out for a full size 5 pin MIDI, but the device would need to be significantly thicker (still not sure how to proceed) . I will post a video in the coming weeks to give you an idea of how the software works and the triggering performance.

                    MED Overview.png
                    Looks nice!
                    I like the approach to support USB-Midi Class Compliant drivers, then it will work everywhere. 32 bit ARM will make it fast - around 1-2 ms. (Are you using a Blue Pill board or just a STM32F103 cpu etc in your own design?)

                    The native midi connector could be a problem going with a special implementation - like a TRS connector...(I did not see the USB port when looking on the picture at first...) But when realising the USB port...I would question about the need for a native TRS midi port - but I realize for people who don't want use a computer...and just want to use it in a bigger system or to extend existing modules...it could be wise to keep it. (An adapter cable to native midi connector could maybe be included)

                    The control software sounds also like great thing! I like the approach that the computer software keeps track of the settings - and when programmed and all trigger settings are done - the box reacts like a black box!

                    Keep up the nice work!

                    Best Regards

                    Anders / www.zourman.com
                    Last edited by angr77; 12-29-18, 07:10 AM.
                    Pearl CrystalBeat and Sonor Safari, Roland CY-14/13R/15R/12CR, RT-10x,2xBT-1,VH-11/12/13 & KD-10, Quartz, Pintech Dingbat, Triggera D14,D11, ATV AD-h14, 120MHz MegaDRUM with PS board, 2box 5&3, dd4SE, TD-9, Addictive Drums 2.1.8. All ADpaks, Microsoft Surface PRO, Macbook, Pearl Throne Thumper, Zourman HH & Ride Conv Kit www.zourman.com

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                    • #25
                      It looks really great indeed.
                      I'm interesdted in this product but I really think that being able to chain two or three of those units could be great. Then it maybe needs real midi connectivity (midi in and midi out with real midi sockets). Don't be affraid to make a little bigger unit.
                      The TRS jack to handle midi seems weird to me... Do you want customers to make their own cable ? Are those cables already exist ?

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                      • #26
                        I'm in, the minimal approach looks great and 4 universal inputs it's all I need. How much?

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                        • #27
                          Looks great! Simple, cost-effective. Definitely a market for these.
                          ATV aDrums & aD5, Pearl Mimic Pro & DIY, Agean R-series Silent Cymbals, Roland Handsonic HPD-20.

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                          • #28
                            Hello Rob,

                            Does the new unit need to be connected to the computer after the setup has been done? Or is it a standalone, for example when used with another module to extend the number of inputs?

                            Good idea to combine the power of DSPTrigger with these.
                            DTX700, A2E Dixon kit, Yamaha cymbals, FSR HH Kit Pix

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                            • #29
                              It'll operate with a computer or standalone.

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