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  • Zildjian L80's and what other set gear to get realistic feel

    Intro:
    So I grew up with acoustic drums when I was a kid.
    That is at the moment no option at all in current house / situation.
    I recently bought a TD6v with VH11 high hat and mesh heads for 3 toms pd85 and a pd105 for snare.
    Once home with some time behind the kit I was disgusted sadly.. the vh11 performed no where near real hi hat and drum heads were basically hit it right on the hot spot or have hardly any response at all.

    Ive been interested in the Zildjian L80's for their feel.
    Is there any way to get a kit together that is
    low volume and realistic feel acoustic "L80's with ?"
    Or integrating the L80's with a edrum that performs well no hotspot or nothing feeling

    Can de L80's be integrated to a mimic pro?

    The Roland VH11 with TD6V had almost no in between sound"open or closed", couldn't get it to get that opening up the hihat after being hit sound.

    Kind regards and looking forward to hearing about solutions.

  • #2
    The L80's don't have triggers, they are purely low volumes options for practice. You could use a regular acoustic kit and put mesh heads on them without triggers. They still make noise, just very low volume. That's what the L80's are really designed to work with. Unless you spend the money for a quality module, you will likely be disappointed with edrums. But converting an A-Kit is very easy and plenty of guides to do that on the forum. You could try Zildjian Gen 16 cymbals as well. Better quality than the L80's and they have pick ups and a module that allow you to put them into a PA or through headphones with your Ekit. They feel great but the sound takes a lot of tweaking to get decent.This is still the most difficult part of edrums, imo. You either hit something that feels like a brick to trigger cymbal sounds, or sacrifice sound quality for great feel with Gen 16's.
    TD50 Digital Pack, TD30 and TD9 Modules, custom made pads, Gen16 crashes, and hats plus a few other things that I'm not sure what to do with or why they're still in my kit. Bands: Espada http://www.musicaespada.com/ and JamCo https://www.facebook.com/JamcoEntertainment, https://www.jamcoband.com/

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    • #3
      Most of the forum users (including me) are quite happy with the VH-11. Issue is that the TD-6 doesn't support the VH-11.
      E-kit: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rz173edtgc...14709.jpg?raw=1
      A-kit: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vxkwbj1rv7...345-1.jpg?raw=1
      TD-30, KT10, PD-105/125, 13" DIY + BT-1, VH-11/CY14/15/5, PM-30, HD-280 Pro

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      • #4
        Do keep in mind that you bought a very old module, and things have progressed a little since then.

        I've been looking at the L80 and adding Jman's triggers.
        Nothing will replace a real HH and ride at the moment, but if you want to get a better experience, the 2Box module, or the new upcoming MimicPro, will be a lot more satisfying.

        With the 2Box, or any other module, you can get side triggers instead, and that will get rid of hotspots. A number of commercial offerings are available, or a simple L bracket mounted to the side of the drum with a couple of piezos and a piece of foam.

        Another options against hotspots spots is the Yamaha kits. Their pad construction avoids hotspots.

        Look around and see what interests you.
        DTX700, A2E Dixon kit, Yamaha cymbals, FSR HH Kit Pix

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        • #5
          Hey Perceval. Keep in mind adding those triggers will turn them into bricks. You might as well stay with rubber, imo. I just added a small piezo using a small piece of double sided tape to one of my Gen's last week. I'm convinced I'll break the cymbal in a week as much as it deadens it. It feels terrible as well. I can't see screwing that huge Jman trigger to one would be any better and expect it will be worse. Looking at his videos confirms this. It's like hitting a trash can lid. I don't think adding triggers to these or other real cymbals is a solution at all. I know some of you are OK with rubber cymbals and that's fine if you are. But if you're looking for reel feel, adding a trigger to a Gen, L80 or real cymbal is going to leave you very disappointed, imo.
          TD50 Digital Pack, TD30 and TD9 Modules, custom made pads, Gen16 crashes, and hats plus a few other things that I'm not sure what to do with or why they're still in my kit. Bands: Espada http://www.musicaespada.com/ and JamCo https://www.facebook.com/JamcoEntertainment, https://www.jamcoband.com/

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          • #6
            The Stealth triggers are certainly not HUGE and have virtually no impact on the feel of the cymbal. Not sure what you saw in the video, but nothing in it gave me the impression that it's "like hitting a trash can lid". I tested the Jman trigger and was pleased with the response and the feel.
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            • #7
              djska indeed now I think of it the td6v was wasted on the vh11.
              having tested the L80's they feel a bit light, perhaps trigger weight is a good thing on them?

              Anyways thanks for the info

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              • #8
                Originally posted by allanjohn View Post
                The Stealth triggers are certainly not HUGE and have virtually no impact on the feel of the cymbal. Not sure what you saw in the video, but nothing in it gave me the impression that it's "like hitting a trash can lid". I tested the Jman trigger and was pleased with the response and the feel.
                On what cymbal? I'm talking about Gen 16's and L80's, not rubber cymbals which already feel like that. You can't even put a strip of tape on a A cymbal without it impacting sound and feel. I guarantee you they have much more than "virtually no impact." If you are pleased with the feel, then you are not looking for something that truly mirrors the feel of a real cymbal, imo.

                Go 1:19 into this video and tell me that performs like a real cymbal to you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxRKtLzHkqc Here's another, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ykkTvPoHjk

                You must be watching videos with the triggered sound. When it's just the acoustic only, trash can lid feel. Compare that the the way these respond without the triggers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH0DyLKgOqM

                When you deaden that much vibration by adding triggers, it feels completely different than without a trigger.
                TD50 Digital Pack, TD30 and TD9 Modules, custom made pads, Gen16 crashes, and hats plus a few other things that I'm not sure what to do with or why they're still in my kit. Bands: Espada http://www.musicaespada.com/ and JamCo https://www.facebook.com/JamcoEntertainment, https://www.jamcoband.com/

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                • #9
                  Well, since I'm not looking to "hear" the acoustic sound of the LV80, but only the triggered sounds, I guess I'm ok.
                  My problem with rubber cymbals is I feel it is catching and holding my sticks. Mostly felt on the ride and HH. Having a low volume metal cymbal, my stick should bounce back like regular cymbals, just not the loud noise.

                  Also, regarding Jman's video, you did notice that he is using Aquarian springs so the movement of the cymbal will be very different from what you showed in the Gen16 video, which were just mounted on felt pads.

                  I, personally, am not a fan of Aquarian springs. Bought a couple and they've been on the storage shelf ever since trying them. But some people do like them.
                  DTX700, A2E Dixon kit, Yamaha cymbals, FSR HH Kit Pix

                  My new venture: voglosounds.com

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by perceval View Post

                    Also, regarding Jman's video, you did notice that he is using Aquarian springs so the movement of the cymbal will be very different from what you showed in the Gen16 video, which were just mounted on felt pads.

                    I, personally, am not a fan of Aquarian springs. Bought a couple and they've been on the storage shelf ever since trying them. But some people do like them.
                    Yes, on the crashes and Chinas I use Aquarian Cymbal Springs. I mainly use those on crashes to keep the cymbal from spinning. But usually just attaching the TRS cable to the cymbal stand close to the cymbal mount can work for keeping the cymbal from spinning for those that are dead set against the cymbal springs.



                    I could tell you where to stick that piezo! ;)
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by allanjohn View Post
                      The Stealth triggers are certainly not HUGE and have virtually no impact on the feel of the cymbal. Not sure what you saw in the video, but nothing in it gave me the impression that it's "like hitting a trash can lid". I tested the Jman trigger and was pleased with the response and the feel.
                      I agree with this. Adding a trigger does not impact the feel of a gen16 cymbal, but it does kill the natural vibration in the cymbal after its hit, which in turn makes it sound bad acoustically. There is no way to add a trigger AND keep a decent signal for the DSP.
                      Last edited by dave.mackey; 04-20-17, 06:55 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JmanWord View Post

                        Yes, on the crashes and Chinas I use Aquarian Cymbal Springs. I mainly use those on crashes to keep the cymbal from spinning. But usually just attaching the TRS cable to the cymbal stand close to the cymbal mount can work for keeping the cymbal from spinning for those that are dead set against the cymbal springs.


                        Jman,
                        Is there no risk of un-plugging the TRS cable if you mount the cable to the stand?
                        Ludwig Epic, Roland Mesh-heads, DIY Cymbals, Roland TD-9, EZdrummer2 + EZX

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                        • #13
                          I think the TRS cable itself is one of the things limiting the natural swing of the cymbal.
                          Brain: mega drum. 5 toms: DIY mesh head, side-mounted DIY triggers. Snare: 14" 682 head, DIY crossbar trigger. 2xDIY beaterless BD pedal. .Cymbals: Crash: 2x 16" brass: 2 zone. Ride: 20" brass: 2 zone. Hi-Hat: 14" 1 zone DIY Control pedal + Pearl H900 stand. + drum rack:

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dreamdrummer View Post

                            Jman,
                            Is there no risk of un-plugging the TRS cable if you mount the cable to the stand?
                            I've had a couple splashes this way for a couple years with no problem. You have to make sure the cable is fastened with enough slack so they have enough room to move is all.
                            I could tell you where to stick that piezo! ;)
                            Stealthdrums.com Mega Kit: Pearl Mimic Pro ,2Box modules,drums and cymbals too many to count. VST quality sounds directly from the Mimic and custom sounds loaded into and played directly from the 2Box modules. Visit me anytime at: http://stealthdrums.com/

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JmanWord View Post

                              I've had a couple splashes this way for a couple years with no problem. You have to make sure the cable is fastened with enough slack so they have enough room to move is all.
                              I will definitly give this a shot on my splash and crashes.
                              Thanks for the tip. :-)
                              I even have those red locks on my inputs, so that should wordt great :-)
                              Ludwig Epic, Roland Mesh-heads, DIY Cymbals, Roland TD-9, EZdrummer2 + EZX

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