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  • Examples of musicians playing on, behind or ahead of the beat?

    I found this very nice video demonstrating how to change the feel. I'd really be interested in other Youtube examples of different band styles. In each example, try to identify where each player sits in relation to eachother or the beat - singer, bass, drums and lead guitar.

    Last edited by Shadorne; 07-07-13, 12:07 AM.
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    To kick things off, here is a classic example of the bass player ahead of the beat, lead guitar on the beat and drummer behind the beat. The lead singer wanders around a bit changing the feel between verse and chorus.

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    • #3
      prefer to change the feel using different methods -- that gave me a headache! LOL
      http://www.youtube.com/user/lazer300/videos

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      • #4
        ya but the Stones all get in synch.
        http://www.youtube.com/user/lazer300/videos

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        • #5
          Do these count??
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A_tSyJBsRQ
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          • #6
            Yep - think the guitar was a bit behind the beat
            http://www.youtube.com/user/lazer300/videos

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            • #7
              Originally posted by lazer30 View Post
              Yep - think the guitar was a bit behind the beat
              Would be able to say whether it was before or behind lol, this band just ply very syncopated stuff, and the drummer is actually one of the best around. Having seen him pull it all off live as well, I can say that with confidence.
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              • #8
                Not got a video example however the great Phil Rudd plays behind the beat

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                • #9
                  Said it before, and I'll say it again..."There are better sites than this to ask & learn about the actual mechanics of playing drums.
                  I mean no disrespect toward this place, but most of these guys are gearheads, not students of music or of drum set technique."

                  You want a lesson in playing behind the beat? Listen to "Chest Fever", Music From Big Pink. Levon lays it back as far as it can get.
                  Up over the beat? Anything uptempo by the Police, Stewart Copeland almost jumps out of the songs.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bjolokia View Post
                    Said it before, and I'll say it again..."There are better sites than this to ask & learn about the actual mechanics of playing drums.
                    I mean no disrespect toward this place, but most of these guys are gearheads, not students of music or of drum set technique."

                    You want a lesson in playing behind the beat? Listen to "Chest Fever", Music From Big Pink. Levon lays it back as far as it can get.
                    Up over the beat? Anything uptempo by the Police, Stewart Copeland almost jumps out of the songs.
                    Some things / opinions are better off left UN-said!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bjolokia View Post
                      Said it before, and I'll say it again..."There are better sites than this to ask & learn about the actual mechanics of playing drums.
                      I mean no disrespect toward this place, but most of these guys are gearheads, not students of music or of drum set technique."

                      .

                      Oh. really...and what about the ones that are? Are you sure that the members who have posted are not "students of music or of drum set technique"...or at least your definition of such? Seems like you could have left the first part of your comment out and still contributed the useful info that you posted(which by the way was good info).......without having to look like you were "disrespecting" anyone....just my 2 cents.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fulrmr(Daniel) View Post
                        ... Are you sure that the members who have posted are not "students of music or of drum set technique" ...or at least your definition of such?
                        Albeit NOT THAT GREAT at playing the drums, I studied music in high school, took private lessons in drum set technique, sticking, rudiments, some music courses in college, and also took piano lessons. Does that count???

                        Also, I don't entirely agree 100% with the implication that Stewart Copeland often plays "ahead" or "behind" the beat which is the topic of this thread, but I do agree that on a lot of his stuff and that of The Police, Copeland definitely often plays "on top" of the beat!
                        http://www.youtube.com/user/lazer300/videos

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Garrie View Post
                          Not got a video example however the great Phil Rudd plays behind the beat
                          I feel Phil tends to play on the beat and Malcolm on rhythm guitar hangs back a bit?



                          Anyone hear the same as I do. Of course, it may also depend on the specific track....
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bjolokia View Post
                            Said it before, and I'll say it again..."There are better sites than this to ask & learn about the actual mechanics of playing drums.
                            I mean no disrespect toward this place, but most of these guys are gearheads, not students of music or of drum set technique."

                            You want a lesson in playing behind the beat? Listen to "Chest Fever", Music From Big Pink. Levon lays it back as far as it can get.
                            Up over the beat? Anything uptempo by the Police, Stewart Copeland almost jumps out of the songs.
                            Wow talk about hanging back. Levon seems to be almost an entire 1/16 behind the beat on the back beat on the verses and instrumental and then for what seems to be the chorus he is on. Kick seems on all the time. What a legend.



                            Fantastic stuff. This is an awesome track to practice playing a behind the beat laid back feel. Thanks!!!!
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Shadorne View Post
                              Wow talk about hanging back. Levon seems to be almost an entire 1/16 behind the beat on the back beat on the verses and instrumental and then for what seems to be the chorus he is on. Kick seems on all the time. What a legend.



                              Fantastic stuff. This is an awesome track to practice playing a behind the beat laid back feel. Thanks!!!!
                              I'm sorry but this is just sloppy playing. Why assume he played like this intentionally? If I posted a track like this right now, it would be considered poor timing and dragging.

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