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  • Zildjian AE GEN16 Cymbal Editor Help and Exchange Thread

    There is already an extensive thread on the merits, benefits, pros, cons, and sound of the Zildjian AE Gen16 cymbals in the Products section. However, if you have already made a GEN16 AE purchase and would like to discuss them, I think a new thread is needed to share info between fellow users. More specifically, there is a Cymbal Editor that runs on a USB connected computer, and there is also the ability to share presets with fellow users.

    First, make sure you have the latest firmware on the DCP and the latest software on the computer. It has been changing weekly, so I won't specify any numbers since they get outdated quickly. I just started looking at it, so I currently am a bit confused by it all.

    - Cymbal Presets
    - Reverb Presets
    - Kit Presets

    You can load presets from the DCP or a File. You can edit these presets, save them, or send them to DCP. I believe you can send individual cymbals as well as entire sets. The Kit presets allow you to mix and match Zildjian settings or your own custom settings for each of the 20 presets in all 5 inputs.

    In theory, when you make changes to a preset on a particular input, the changes are made LIVE, in that you can here the effects immediately. However, I have not been able to hear this happen - seems like at the moment this LIVE feature is not working, or I do not understand it. Without this feature, it is pretty much impossible to guess on the settings. If anyone knows how to do this, let us know!

    Also, I imagine that if someone goes through a lot of trouble and gets a nice sounding preset, they can share it here. Can we attach small files to this forum?

    So fellow users, feel free to comment on the cymbals, the DCP, and the editing software here. Thanks!
    Superior Drummer 2.3; Modules: TD9+TD6V; Toms: Tama Imperialstar 8", 10", 12", 14", 16" and 6", 8" Concert Toms with Wronka Internal Triggers Bass: 22" Tama with Pearl TruTrac; Snare 12" Metal Yamaha with ddrum external trigger; Ride: 20" Gen16BB; Crash1: 18" Gen16BB; Crash2: 16" Gen16BB; Splash: 12" Gen16BB; China: PCY-155; Hi Hat: 14" GEN16BB with Tama 805 Velo Glide Stand; Rack: Gibraltar Chrome

  • #2
    I have some questions about the editing software. What different fx/attributes are there for each cymbal and what parameters on these can be edited for each cymbal and to what extent?
    8 piece DIY Acrylic http://www.quartzpercussions.com/, 2x2Box DrumIt5, Gen16 4xDCP, Acrylic&Gen16 Conversions http://stealthdrums.com/Home_Page.html, Sleishman Twin-QuadSteele hybrid http://drumagination.com/ , Gibraltar&DrumFrame rack, DW9502LB, Midi Knights Pro Lighting http://jeredsystems.com/index.php
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    • #3
      Originally posted by fulrmr(Daniel) View Post
      I have some questions about the editing software. What different fx/attributes are there for each cymbal and what parameters on these can be edited for each cymbal and to what extent?
      There are extensive sliders for a myriad of mysterious parameters. I will take a screen shot of the editing screen (a little later, busy now with kids). I am not sure what effect they have since I can't get this 'Live Preview' to work, and cannot hear the effect.
      Superior Drummer 2.3; Modules: TD9+TD6V; Toms: Tama Imperialstar 8", 10", 12", 14", 16" and 6", 8" Concert Toms with Wronka Internal Triggers Bass: 22" Tama with Pearl TruTrac; Snare 12" Metal Yamaha with ddrum external trigger; Ride: 20" Gen16BB; Crash1: 18" Gen16BB; Crash2: 16" Gen16BB; Splash: 12" Gen16BB; China: PCY-155; Hi Hat: 14" GEN16BB with Tama 805 Velo Glide Stand; Rack: Gibraltar Chrome

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ohlarikd View Post
        There are extensive sliders for a myriad of mysterious parameters. I will take a screen shot of the editing screen (a little later, busy now with kids). I am not sure what effect they have since I can't get this 'Live Preview' to work, and cannot hear the effect.
        Interesting. This could be the very thing that makes these worth while and answers the concerns for better sounds. Thanks.
        8 piece DIY Acrylic http://www.quartzpercussions.com/, 2x2Box DrumIt5, Gen16 4xDCP, Acrylic&Gen16 Conversions http://stealthdrums.com/Home_Page.html, Sleishman Twin-QuadSteele hybrid http://drumagination.com/ , Gibraltar&DrumFrame rack, DW9502LB, Midi Knights Pro Lighting http://jeredsystems.com/index.php
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        • #5
          Here is a screenshot:

          Superior Drummer 2.3; Modules: TD9+TD6V; Toms: Tama Imperialstar 8", 10", 12", 14", 16" and 6", 8" Concert Toms with Wronka Internal Triggers Bass: 22" Tama with Pearl TruTrac; Snare 12" Metal Yamaha with ddrum external trigger; Ride: 20" Gen16BB; Crash1: 18" Gen16BB; Crash2: 16" Gen16BB; Splash: 12" Gen16BB; China: PCY-155; Hi Hat: 14" GEN16BB with Tama 805 Velo Glide Stand; Rack: Gibraltar Chrome

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          • #6
            VERY COOL! It would be nice to have more than 3 bands on the EQ though.
            8 piece DIY Acrylic http://www.quartzpercussions.com/, 2x2Box DrumIt5, Gen16 4xDCP, Acrylic&Gen16 Conversions http://stealthdrums.com/Home_Page.html, Sleishman Twin-QuadSteele hybrid http://drumagination.com/ , Gibraltar&DrumFrame rack, DW9502LB, Midi Knights Pro Lighting http://jeredsystems.com/index.php
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            • #7
              Originally posted by fulrmr(Daniel) View Post
              VERY COOL! It would be nice to have more than 3 bands on the EQ though.
              Since its a parametric EQ, you can move the bands and adjust their effective width, so I am not sure you need more than 3 on such a narrow range that a cymbal is in. There are definitely a lot of parameters to tweak. If I ever get the LIVE preview to work, I will get a better idea of how each parameter affects the sound.
              Superior Drummer 2.3; Modules: TD9+TD6V; Toms: Tama Imperialstar 8", 10", 12", 14", 16" and 6", 8" Concert Toms with Wronka Internal Triggers Bass: 22" Tama with Pearl TruTrac; Snare 12" Metal Yamaha with ddrum external trigger; Ride: 20" Gen16BB; Crash1: 18" Gen16BB; Crash2: 16" Gen16BB; Splash: 12" Gen16BB; China: PCY-155; Hi Hat: 14" GEN16BB with Tama 805 Velo Glide Stand; Rack: Gibraltar Chrome

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ohlarikd View Post
                Since its a parametric EQ, you can move the bands and adjust their effective width, so I am not sure you need more than 3 on such a narrow range that a cymbal is in. There are definitely a lot of parameters to tweak. If I ever get the LIVE preview to work, I will get a better idea of how each parameter affects the sound.
                I wonder how come this will not work for you?
                8 piece DIY Acrylic http://www.quartzpercussions.com/, 2x2Box DrumIt5, Gen16 4xDCP, Acrylic&Gen16 Conversions http://stealthdrums.com/Home_Page.html, Sleishman Twin-QuadSteele hybrid http://drumagination.com/ , Gibraltar&DrumFrame rack, DW9502LB, Midi Knights Pro Lighting http://jeredsystems.com/index.php
                http://www.airbrushartists.org/DreamscapeAirbrushRealm

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ohlarikd View Post
                  If I ever get the LIVE preview to work, I will get a better idea of how each parameter affects the sound.
                  Do you have "track DCP Preset" selected? I think that's what you mean by "live" mode. I guess how this works is that you import the preset, adjust it and then export it back to the module. You're not actually changing anything on the DCP until you export back. It's a bit like VdrumLib.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by allanjohn View Post
                    Do you have "track DCP Preset" selected? I think that's what you mean by "live" mode. I guess how this works is that you import the preset, adjust it and then export it back to the module. You're not actually changing anything on the DCP until you export back. It's a bit like VdrumLib.
                    The HELP function in the software says that it will change in real time, that you do not have to store it back to the module until you are happy with the sound. I will have some more time to play with this in the afternoon finally. It would be very difficult to adjust sounds if you needed to send it to the module over and over, so that can't be right. You need to keep hitting the hi hat for instance while sliding the adjusters to get the sound tuned in, I would imagine.
                    Superior Drummer 2.3; Modules: TD9+TD6V; Toms: Tama Imperialstar 8", 10", 12", 14", 16" and 6", 8" Concert Toms with Wronka Internal Triggers Bass: 22" Tama with Pearl TruTrac; Snare 12" Metal Yamaha with ddrum external trigger; Ride: 20" Gen16BB; Crash1: 18" Gen16BB; Crash2: 16" Gen16BB; Splash: 12" Gen16BB; China: PCY-155; Hi Hat: 14" GEN16BB with Tama 805 Velo Glide Stand; Rack: Gibraltar Chrome

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by allanjohn View Post
                      Do you have "track DCP Preset" selected? I think that's what you mean by "live" mode. I guess how this works is that you import the preset, adjust it and then export it back to the module. You're not actually changing anything on the DCP until you export back. It's a bit like VdrumLib.
                      Here is what the manual says: "A Cymbal Editor Window allows adjustment of all the DSP parameters of one cymbal preset. It also acts as a "remote control" for the DSP in that any changes to the on-screen controls are transmitted to the connected DCP (if any) in real time so that DSP adjustments can be previewed "live".

                      Track DCP is something different, used more for checking the values as you scroll through the presets on the DCP itself:
                      "The Track DCP Button causes all the DSP controls in the editor window to "track" or "follow" the stored preset values inside the DCP when the DCP's buttons are pressed. With this feature turned on, you will see the sliders and the Channel Selector move as you press the preset select buttons on the DCP. This is a great way to quickly and visually see the preset DSP settings stored in the DCP. When editing or creating your own presets, however, it should be used with caution, since pressing a button on the DCP will overwrite whatever settings are in the editor window."


                      So it seems that I should be able to hear the changes I make in real time. I will keep trying.
                      Superior Drummer 2.3; Modules: TD9+TD6V; Toms: Tama Imperialstar 8", 10", 12", 14", 16" and 6", 8" Concert Toms with Wronka Internal Triggers Bass: 22" Tama with Pearl TruTrac; Snare 12" Metal Yamaha with ddrum external trigger; Ride: 20" Gen16BB; Crash1: 18" Gen16BB; Crash2: 16" Gen16BB; Splash: 12" Gen16BB; China: PCY-155; Hi Hat: 14" GEN16BB with Tama 805 Velo Glide Stand; Rack: Gibraltar Chrome

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                      • #12
                        Online instructions are here, for reference:
                        http://www.pragmaticdesigns.com/gen1...tyProgramHelp/
                        Superior Drummer 2.3; Modules: TD9+TD6V; Toms: Tama Imperialstar 8", 10", 12", 14", 16" and 6", 8" Concert Toms with Wronka Internal Triggers Bass: 22" Tama with Pearl TruTrac; Snare 12" Metal Yamaha with ddrum external trigger; Ride: 20" Gen16BB; Crash1: 18" Gen16BB; Crash2: 16" Gen16BB; Splash: 12" Gen16BB; China: PCY-155; Hi Hat: 14" GEN16BB with Tama 805 Velo Glide Stand; Rack: Gibraltar Chrome

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                        • #13
                          Another interesting bit of info: You can store up to 99 presets for each of the 5 channels. You are not restricted to 20 on each.
                          Superior Drummer 2.3; Modules: TD9+TD6V; Toms: Tama Imperialstar 8", 10", 12", 14", 16" and 6", 8" Concert Toms with Wronka Internal Triggers Bass: 22" Tama with Pearl TruTrac; Snare 12" Metal Yamaha with ddrum external trigger; Ride: 20" Gen16BB; Crash1: 18" Gen16BB; Crash2: 16" Gen16BB; Splash: 12" Gen16BB; China: PCY-155; Hi Hat: 14" GEN16BB with Tama 805 Velo Glide Stand; Rack: Gibraltar Chrome

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                          • #14
                            I cannot get any changes made in the cymbal editor to work, despite my best efforts. It doesn't work in 'real time', not does it work when I send the settings to the DCP. I just emailed Zildjian to see if this functionality is still not available at this time, even thought the controls are there.
                            Superior Drummer 2.3; Modules: TD9+TD6V; Toms: Tama Imperialstar 8", 10", 12", 14", 16" and 6", 8" Concert Toms with Wronka Internal Triggers Bass: 22" Tama with Pearl TruTrac; Snare 12" Metal Yamaha with ddrum external trigger; Ride: 20" Gen16BB; Crash1: 18" Gen16BB; Crash2: 16" Gen16BB; Splash: 12" Gen16BB; China: PCY-155; Hi Hat: 14" GEN16BB with Tama 805 Velo Glide Stand; Rack: Gibraltar Chrome

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                            • #15
                              You have to save them and then export them to the DCP. I messed around with one, saved it, exported and then checked and the changes had over-written the defaults.
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