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  • Need help making some dual zone chokeable cymbals (Yamaha DTXPRESS iv special)!

    (Watch the video and look at the diagram through the links posted to totally see where I am trying to go)


    Hello eveyone,

    I need some help with a diagram I found on wiring up some dual zone, chokeable cymbals. The only problem is that this diagram is for a Roland module.

    I want to use a Yamaha DTXPRESS IV Special module. Here is the link:

    http://s814.photobucket.com/albums/z...m.gif&newest=1

    There is a video that explains all this here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6HjxoNGhEU

    The idea/diagram uses a metal cymbal as the "wire"/conductor to complete the loop for the switch. However, I want to do this with a plastic cymbal.


    The first, and more important, question is will this also work for the Yamaha module? If it does, would this switch still work using a plastic cymbal with like a copper patch adhered to the cymbal (the switch and everything else would still be metal, and it would be adhered in the same manner as the copper patch) with a wire soldered to it to complete the loop?

    If I did not want to use any metal patches at all, could I not just theoretically attach an extra wire to the metal switch that I make as directed by the video and complete the loop that way?

    It would be awesome if I could. But, regardless, the Yamaha module may not even accept the same wiring rig.


    PLEASE HELP ME!

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    Originally posted by maccadio View Post
    (Watch the video and look at the diagram through the links posted to totally see where I am trying to go)

    Hello eveyone,

    I need some help with a diagram I found on wiring up some dual zone, chokeable cymbals. The only problem is that this diagram is for a Roland module.

    I want to use a Yamaha DTXPRESS IV Special module. Here is the link:

    http://s814.photobucket.com/albums/z...m.gif&newest=1

    There is a video that explains all this here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6HjxoNGhEU

    The idea/diagram uses a metal cymbal as the "wire"/conductor to complete the loop for the switch. However, I want to do this with a plastic cymbal.


    PLEASE HELP ME!
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    Hi Maccadio

    sorry for the delayed response to your inquiry. I did not have time until now.

    racer52 here, - You are referencing my pics and videos - Glad that you found them to be inspiring.
    I gained the bulk of my eDrum DIY knowledge at this site.
    It takes a fair amount of perserverence to wade through the commentary to find the meat, but it is almost always here at vDrums.com

    You seem to have the correct understanding of the circuit build. The switch circuit does not care how it is built as long as it acts like a momentary switch when struck.
    Issues such as sensitivity, durability, cost and stealthy look play into a persons preference for one over another.

    Regarding using a plastic cymbal - check out Hellfire's cymbal DIY build - it is just what you are talking about.
    http://www.hellfiredrums.com/archives/67

    you can also use the search feature to find techniques on 2 zone cymbals with choke
    the search button is on the menu bar accross the top of the threads

    there is also an outside search that searches vdrums - this is taken from JmanWord's posting:
    In case you hadn't noticed our Search Engine here at vdrums.com leaves a lot to be desired. Some future update may improve that. But in the meantime one of our forum members was kind enough to set up a google search page specifically for our forum. Many of you are probably already using this. I bookmarked the page and have been using it ever since and it works great. Here is a link to this search engine:
    http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=01...85:ld78rt83m3w

    to address your concern for compatibility..
    I have no personal expierence with any Yamaha modules, however the below links suggest that
    for most cymbals the Yamahas and the Rolands are interchangeable. The 3 zones are not, at least not without modifications.
    I read that a yamaha 3 zone can be modified to work on a Roland, not sure if a Roland can be modified to work on a Yamaha.
    http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19173
    http://vdrums.com/forum/showthread.p...al+zone+cymbal


    so this means that - yes these will work on your module -well, I think it will

    it seems that Yamaha and Roland cymbles for all but the 3 way rides are reasonably interchangeable. the 3 zones differ slightly in design

    read the above links, and the links they reference to add to your knowledge base.


    you can always whip up a very simple concept cymbal circuit and connect to your module to see if it works

    like a section of plywood (or anything resonably solid) with a piezo on it and a contact switch - for a simple test switch you can glue some aluminum foil wrap to an area of the ply wood, then also glue some foil to a piece of card stock/ card board and mount it to the foil on the wood with double face tape so that the foils face each other but don't touch. now if you tap the card stock it will make foil to foil contact to the foil on the wood and the piezo will vibrate - just like the edge switch of a cymbal. you should get an "edge" sound. hit just the wood and not let the foil contact - you should get a "Bow" sound. Hit either and then press the switch to choke. You now have a basic two zone, piezo/switch cymbal with choke - The rest is just building it stronger, prettier, and more durable and sensitive.


    I hope that helped shed some light
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